[osflash] Disseminating OSFlash (was IDE mon amour, the poll results.)

Tue Sep 5 09:37:58 EDT 2006

hi joao!

i have to support your request :)

i'm in the same situation; a friend of mine (good php-developer) could 
work on funny
projects with me if i could somehow show him (wish: in 10minutes) the 
world of os-
flash...
the only solution now is showing him step by step how i would manage his 
tasks; and
after a while he will know how it goes... but that's not very effective ;)

i have to emphasize that i was overwhelmed too when i first encountered 
osflash...
therefore your suggestion to reorganize the content is definitely the 
right way.

i agree with those who say that a basic knowledge of flash (the ide and 
the concepts
behind it) should be taken for granted; it's easy for java-developers to 
jump on the
train but the developers arriving on osflash have a wide variety of 
knowledge so you
can't consider them all.

i agree with you that the design isn't quite attractive for people 
willing to create
state of the art ria/websites... this is definetly something we should 
improve...
whether by implementing flash-modules in the current system or by 
redesigning the
whole thing or by establishing an new site aimed at new users and 
policy-makers.

just my 2cents!

henrik

p.s. yes this is geek-talk ;) ...on a very productive level! :D

João Saleiro wrote:
> I agree with the problem of probably becoming out of dated, but we can 
> find a solution for that. But i think we shouln't mix the two things.
>
> One thing about RIA's is that they are about improved user experience. 
> When we talk about user experience, that are some premisses to take in 
> account. One is "keep it simple". Another is "put yourself on the user 
> side". Sometimes, as developers, it's kind of difficult to do that. I 
> consider that in the osflash case there are at least two kind of users: 
> "beginners", and advanced developers. That's why i see that there should 
> be two different systems. Not competing, but complementing each other.
>
> Take this example in consideration.
> I have one friend, Zé, that made this web-site: www.lipton.pt/poder . 
> This friend of mine is neither a developer, neither a designer: he 
> implements user interface on Flash using both Flash timeline animations, 
> and some actionscript. He still isn't very good at OO, and what he knows 
> about programming, he learned by himself. I know him, and i know he has 
> great unexplored capabilities. So i am giving him resources to improve 
> his knowledge by himself (currently, he's reading the "Object Oriented 
> ActionScript For Flash 8" book). He sees me working and he is very 
> enthusiatic about osflash tools and the resulting worflow.  But the 
> osflash web-site and the community scares him as hell. He says he feels 
> lost in this world, despite me saying that it's not as difficult as it 
> seems, and giving in some tips and directions.
>
> Now, another example.
> When i first used AMFPHP (beginning if 2005, i guess), they didn't have 
> the current website. AMFPHP at the beginning seemed something very 
> complicated, and difficult to understand (!!! lol). After understanding 
> it, i had some troubles explaining it to some of my colleagues (maybe 
> i'm not a good teacher :P). Today, AMFPHP has a rather good website. It 
> introduces AMFPHP, has documentation, has a showcase, etc. I have some 
> friends of mine that learnt AMFPHP in one afternoon, and the most 
> important, they were not scared by it - because the website has 
> everything it needs to make AMFPHP look simple and trustfull, so there 
> isn't that fear at the beginning. Users take a glance on what AMFPHP is 
> in a matter of minutes, become convinced, and start trying to using it.
> This is what i am talking about for the OsFlash community...
>
> Cheers,
>
> João Saleiro
>
>
>
>
> Ian Thomas wrote:
>   
>> Hi Joao,
>>   Well, why not just create a 'welcome to OSFlash' page off the main
>> page? Or 'OSFlash newbies' or whatever you want to call it. Put a very
>> large link to it on the main page in a prominent place - like right at
>> the top? "Start here!"
>>
>>   One of my concerns about starting a seperate OSFlash newbie site is
>> that it might get sidelined/out of date; if it's actually rolled into
>> the main Wiki I think it's easier to maintain.
>>
>> Ian
>>
>> On 9/5/06, João Saleiro <joao.saleiro at webfuel.pt> wrote:
>>   
>>     
>>> Well, people here are geek, and we have geek talks. And we prefer being
>>> geek and talking geek. Personally i would prefer to have two different
>>> systems: and "introductory" site, *presenting* what's osflash and how to
>>> use it, and the current system for developers.
>>> It's not discrimination: when i was starting with osflash, i had a lot
>>> of doubts (concerning the language itself, despite knowing quite a lot
>>> about actionscript already) that i didn't formulated on the mailing
>>> list, because they weren't "geeky" enough. And some of the ones i've
>>> asked were never answered. And today, i prefer reading and talking about
>>> "how to apply this design pattern" or "what do you think about this
>>> framework" than "how can i load a MovieClip?".
>>>
>>> In resume, I would prefer one "Welcome to Osflash, learn about osflash"
>>> web-site and another "now that you know the basics of osflash, let's
>>> start doing big things like we, geeky developers, do" website. It's a
>>> matter of opinion, and this is mine...
>>>
>>> João Saleiro
>>>
>>> PS: Geek in a good meaning, of course :P
>>>     
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