[osflash] [OT] one editor for everything (emacs)

[Martin Heidegger]

Hello Hank,

I think you are right and maybe I got an idea why this applies: Flame Wars
are fun! Maybe the tools we use and the things we grow up get a descent part
of our personality (i spend more time with firefox than with my girlfriend)
and therefore is as hard to change as a habit. Furthermore some try to
defend their habits with a self-created "religion" in order to point out
that they are better. Beeing better might be another thing: How do you
compare good tools? A hammer is no screwdriver!

Anyway: To me its the case that I havn't found a editor that I really like
most but I would fairly enjoy one which is integrated into the browser
(maybe even js based) in order for beeing able to use it everywhere. I often
changed computer and its a little safer to me to keep my mails in my
webaccount because I don't have a complete Backup plan. Same for a cool
editing tool (including all presets) I don't bother if its console based VI
(which i found rather pleasing) / EMACS or graphical as long as it fights
the task.

Beside that: I didn't read the book so comments rare but what i can say is:

Some thoughts:
* Console editors do their work on a remote linux computer which could be
quite useful if youre an network admin.
* After you minded the shortcuts they are a lot faster than the buttons that
you need to reach with the mouse (obvious speed enhancment?)
* Code completion is _the_ tool of development. If a tool can offer that its
the king because with code completion you can more easily find if the
certain instance supports this or that method (which replaces a view into
the documentation) and the type speed increases dramatically.
onM[Strg+Space][Enter] instead of onMouseMove. (Its same with <TAB> in a
linux console ...)
* I think code formatting is useful if your brain sorts things in colors
(and bright gray for documentation hides out or focuses on the other
important parts. (all brain juggling)
* Memory usage might be important but if the overall time gets reduced by
not needing to do this or that its reasonable.

yours
Martin.

PS.: I use Eclipse - FDT (because i developed opensource), scintilla (for
small stuff) and vim (if needed)
PPS.: Its not the tools its the results that count.

On 1/4/07, hank williams <hank777 at gmail.com> wrote:
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> On 1/4/07, Nicolas Cannasse <ncannasse at motion-twin.com> wrote:
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> > > Hi Nicolas!
> > >
> > > I wonder which editor you use for programming Ocaml? What about haXe?
> > > (Before you developed haxeFD :)
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> > Please let this thread dying peacefully :)
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> > Nicolas
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> I find it fascinating and disturbing that you and others find the art of
> spirited discussion (not flaming - i.e. insulting each other and making
> ridiculous statements) distasteful. I personally find all the "war"
> metaphors that people have used to discuss this thread as troubling.
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> I'm not sure what it says about our culture that we can only either agree
> and not discuss things, or that we must "flame" each other and there is no
> between. I'm not sure what it says about our culture that, what at least *I*
> consider to be a valuable debate is dismissed as an "editor war".
> Personally, in my real life (off the net) I learn far more from people
> disagreeing with me than I do from everyone just sort of saying "whatever
> you say". I used to run a company of 100+ people and I can tell you that the
> worst thing, for me, has always been when conflicting ideas don't get
> discussed. Yelling and insulting each other sucks, but saying "well I think
> you are wrong about x because y" is, in my view, the absolute best way to
> learn things from other people.
>
> Perhaps its the geek culture that makes such social discourse difficult.
> Or perhaps people fear their own inability to restrain themselves with the
> written word. Or perhaps the fact is that some people can't restrain
> themselves which ruins it for everyone.
>
> But it just seems to me that we loose a lot of the "value of ideas" if the
> act of discussing those opposing views is frowned upon.
>
> I think its sad really that the act of discussing anything beyond how to
> declare a variable, or why an error condition exists is either problematic,
> or at least perceived to be so. Particularly when this particular list
> doesn't actually discuss deeply technical issues which are typically covered
> on other lists, in my view, such attitudes discourage interchange of ideas,
> and make this kind of forum much less valuable than it could otherwise be.
>
> Then again perhaps discussing the social dynamic of a flash email group in
> the flash email group is just too much to bear if we cant even debate a
> theory in a programming book. Never mind.
>
> Regards,
> Hank
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