[osflash] MDM Zinc v3 rant

[Keith Peters]

Even as a hack, it is not pure AIR. It requires installing and running  
another application on your machine. The Artemis project does  
something similar.  I totally agree with what Sam that this was a  
really poor decision. I think most of us would have gladly left the  
SQLLite stuff behind in favor of this.


Keith Peters
kp at bit-101.com



On Feb 13, 2008, at 5:38 PM, Iman Khabazian wrote:

> has anyone tried the hack?
> http://www.mikechambers.com/blog/2008/01/17/commandproxy-net-air-integration-proof-of-concept/
>
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> On Feb 13, 2008 2:31 PM, Samuel Agesilas <samuel at modulous.net> wrote:
> Yea it is a major, fudge up by Adobe. Essentially with AIR Adobe  
> build the Ferrari of desktop app development, but decided to slash  
> all the tires and put sugar in the gas tank when they  decided to  
> seriously hamper AIR by not allowing calls apps to launch.  Talk  
> about a dumb and stupid decision. and I don't believe Adobe knows  
> how crucial of a feature that is! For example, I had a client come  
> to us to develop a UI for an audio processing software project. For  
> the UI we looked at JavaFX ( which is not quite ready ), Java, QT  
> and Adobe AIR. AIR hit all of the points and the client was ready to  
> roll with AIR except for that crucial fact of not being able to  
> launch external apps. That was the deal breaker and the client  
> walked away from AIR development and decided to go with QT. It's a  
> shame to because that particular project was perfect for Flash +  
> AIR. If anyone at Adobe is reading this, PLEASE stop handicapping  
> your products and start trusting your developer community.
>
> my two cents.
> -sam
>
> On Feb 8, 2008, at 6:18 AM, slangeberg wrote:
>
>> Yeah, you're right. Not being able to make system calls / launch  
>> apps IS a major shortcoming of AIR, at this point.
>>
>> Here's an official Adobe statement, as of June:
>>
>> src: http://www.adobe.com/cfusion/webforums/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=641&threadid=1298770&STARTPAGE=2&FTVAR_FORUMVIEWTMP=Linear
>>
>> Thank you everyone who has contributed to this thread. My name is  
>> Rob Christensen and I'm a product manager on Adobe AIR. I'd like to  
>> provide some clarity on this topic, but also invite you to share  
>> additional thoughts.
>>
>> The primary reason that AIR 1.0 does not include support for  
>> launching native applications originates from a founding design  
>> decision/philosophy. Applications that do not depend on other  
>> applications to be installed result in a better user experience.  
>> Our goal with AIR has been to deliver a runtime that delivers  
>> applications consistently across operating systems. Please note  
>> that this doesn't mean we're right nor that we might not change our  
>> minds on this.
>>
>> We'd like to hear what you think on this topic. It's helpful if you  
>> can let us know what you're trying to build. The more specific you  
>> can be, the more helpful it is to our team. Please reply to this  
>> thread or send us a note through our feedback form. This form will  
>> send a message directly to our development and product management  
>> team.
>>
>> Feedback for (Adobe AIR)
>> http://www.adobe.com/go/wish/
>>
>> As with any design decision, there's plenty of opportunity to  
>> debate the topic and this is something we continue to discuss even  
>> internally. The major disadvantage is that it's much more difficult  
>> to take advantage of existing code libraries or launch other native  
>> applications.
>>
>> At the same time, one advantage to the current design is that when  
>> you distribute an application, you do not need to say, "This is a  
>> really great application, but make sure you have Microsoft Windows  
>> (or OSX) installed as well as Microsoft Word (or Photoshop or some  
>> other native product) to really take advantage of this application."
>>
>> Again, we may revisit this decision in the future and as with any  
>> 1.0, you almost always come to reconsider your initial design  
>> goals. There are some interesting options here such as the one  
>> discussed earlier of launching the default application for a  
>> specific file type.
>>
>> Stuartc11: It is possible to launch a web browser by the way and  
>> some of the sample applications have code that that demonstrate how  
>> to do this.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> - Rob
>> Product Manager, Adobe AIR
>>
>> -Scott
>>
>> PS: Zinc blows holes in the ozone.
>>
>>
>> On Feb 8, 2008 5:41 AM, Cedric Muller <wif at benga.li> wrote:
>> Actually, I was able to launch VLC with Zinc (not Zinc specific, but
>> it does manage activex) and pass the HD streams to VLC
>> now, I am looking at a splitted screen with 4 HD streams, all totally
>> fluid.
>> Ok ok, I have a tough graphic card, but my tests so far indicate that
>> there is plenty of margin.
>> Moreover, with VLC I can load in almost any video type (even FLVs)...
>> though i am doing an internal check, and if video is FLV I stream it
>> with Flash...
>> The app I am building is quite technical, and clients' constraints
>> are very high (regarding HD (and full hd) Streaming). To be honest,
>> it isn't a desktop application, more like a 'computer app'
>>
>> Cedric
>>
>> > Not to be obtuse, but can you stream HD video with Zinc?
>> >
>> > Does streaming HD video establish the validity of a desktop app?
>> >
>> > Anyhow, you can stream video with Flash Media Server to the flash
>> > player (AIR). Probably Red5 too. Right?
>> >
>> >
>> > On Feb 8, 2008 2:02 AM, Cedric Muller <wif at benga.li> wrote:
>> > yes works well, but quite not a true desktop app: how would you
>> > stream Full HD video with AIR ?
>> >
>> >
>> > > yeah, and just to be the rah rah boy - AIR rocks.
>> > >
>> > > fine, shoot me, but it *works* well
>> > >
>> > > On Feb 7, 2008 7:33 PM, Arnoud Bos <a.bos9 at chello.nl> wrote:
>> > > Try screenweaver haxe  (swhx) if you are not afraid of command  
>> line
>> > > tools.
>> > >
>> > > Works great!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > And it's opensource (this is an open source list, right?)
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Arnoud
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Van: osflash-bounces at osflash.org [mailto:osflash-
>> > > bounces at osflash.org] Namens bean tickler
>> > > Verzonden: donderdag 7 februari 2008 23:25
>> > > Aan: osflash at osflash.org
>> > > Onderwerp: [osflash] MDM Zinc v3 rant
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Sad sad sad.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Too long have I and almost everyone I know suffered with this  
>> poor
>> > > product and its predecessors. 2.5 buggy buggy buggy. V3 beta,  
>> buggy
>> > > but fine, BETA. V3 RELEASE, same as BETA, not one bug fixed from
>> > > what I can tell and they have ditched tons of the functionality
>> > > they had in 2.5!!!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Why oh why do we bother??? Well, at one point they were the  
>> best of
>> > > a bad bunch with shed loads of commands and slick marketing.
>> > > However, I feel the competitors have overtaken them. Just look at
>> > > the likes of Janus (a new but reliable tool) and SWF studio.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > For me I would have loved to have stayed with SWF Studio but they
>> > > had no handheld or Mac output. Janus is my new favorite as it has
>> > > yet to cause me an embarrassing client crash and has Mac and  
>> Linux
>> > > output coming up). But wow, I feel soo dumb for ever buying  
>> Zinc!!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Every negative post on their "community" forum gets deleted, they
>> > > are now even checking posts _before_ they go live.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Sorry for the rant. But guessing this post wont be deleted!!!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
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