[Papervision3D] Games and Stories AND clipping
fiver
five_miles_high at yahoo.com
Wed Dec 27 11:21:45 EST 2006
Patrick, not sure... let me think "out loud" here for a second. If you have a story before you
have a way to present it, then you have a baseline for what you would need to present it. On the
other hand, if you have an engine, working with the limitations of a very small browser plug-in,
then a story can be worked with those limitations in mind. Which is better?
The truth about good storytelling is your basic plot, twists, characters, and the world they live
in etc. don't care about limitations. You could sit around a camp fire and tell a good story and
it's still going to hold peoples attention and work on a primitive level -- and become a meme. So,
that being said, I don't think it matters which one you have first. They are both time consuming
to do right any way you look at it. And for ME, if I'm going to spend a lot of time doing
something -- I don't want to do something that's already been done ;)
If you're doing a first-person shooter in multiplayer death-match a plot isn't so necessary, but
you still have to have a world, and that world 'should' have a reason for being the way it is.
On another note, I have a question about this:
http://www.roanesky.com/swf/test.html
If I don't let the camera move much, everything seems fine. CLICK on the left building and it
makes the camera float... look at the ground plane. What would cause this? If I up the face count
any more, it drags the frame count down considerably. I must be missing a trick or something.
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> From: "Patrick Pietens" <patrick at flashaddict.nl>
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> I think it is important to come up with a working engine before doing
> anything with characters, stories etc. Of course it important if we want the
> game to be immersive as possible, but imho the project is a showcase of what
> Papervision is capable of?
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> Or am I wrong here?
>
> Cheers,
> Patrick
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> [mailto:Papervision3D-bounces at osflash.org] On Behalf Of fiver
> Sent: woensdag 27 december 2006 16:24
> To: Papervision3D at osflash.org
> Subject: [Papervision3D] Games and stories
>
> Hey guys, I've been following the talk about game design and wanted to drop
> in my 2 cents. I
> looked at the shockwave skate game... impressive for a game that runs in the
> browser. It's a nice
> way to pass a little break time at work, but something like that doesn't
> seem to me to be worth
> the effort. Now, an RPG with multiplayer capabilities might be. But, with
> something like this,
> story is king. An awesome story makes it worth the effort I believe. And
> will also divert the
> attention from the flaws that doing something like this in Flash would
> introduce. Without the aide
> of hardware, it won't be Half-Life - The Lost Coast. Which is just fine --
> as long as the story
> kicks serious ass. I write fiction, so if you guys decide to do a game and
> need a story -- I'd
> love to help in that area.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> > Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 09:56:26 +0000
> > From: "Matthew Hare" <matt.hare at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Papervision3D] Papervision3D Digest, Vol 3, Issue 66
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> > I think adobe have 3D in mind already, but they wont talk about it at all.
> > Thats just the feeling i get from the "Flash on the Beach" conference and
> > having talked to a few of the bigger people in the picture, like Paul
> Betlam
> > (whose card i have somewhere, I've probably spelt his name wrong) and Mike
> > Downey.
> >
> > However, Flash is constantly evolving, so we just need to keep the lively
> > opensource support there, and we can adapt for whatever comes our way.
> >
> > I think Adobe would be very impressed with PV3D, they have a habit of
> hiring
> > the best Flash dev's to develop for the newest versions of Flash, so some
> of
> > you guys may find Adobe knocking on your doors if we can do many of the
> > things we want to do with it.
> >
> > Either way, there's a great core here.. so great things are going to
> happen
> > :)
> >
> >
> >
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> > > 1. Re: Sony first person shooter (ricardo cabello ! mr.doob)
> > > 2. Re: Sony first person shooter (John Grden)
> > > 3. R: Sony first person shooter (Davide Beltrame)
> > >
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> > > Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 00:17:33 +0000
> > > From: "ricardo cabello ! mr.doob" <info at mrdoob.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Papervision3D] Sony first person shooter
> > > To: Papervision3D at osflash.org
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> > > How many polys per frame was psx able to show? (at 24/30 fps?)
> > >
> > > Jake Lewis wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I believe Carlos developed for the original playstation, so he might
> > > > be more authoritative on this than I, but it does strike me that PV3D,
> > > > or more accurately, Flash 9 shares a few of the 'design choices' of
> > > > the PS1. Namely, a lack of perspective correction and a lack of
> > > > zbuffer. Most PS1 games managed to work around these limitations with
> > > > good game design and feasible environments. I'm not sure how the
> > > > polygon/pixel throughput compares, particularly considering that the
> > > > half frame PS1 screensize would look pretty small on today's hi def
> > > > computer screen.
> > > >
> > > > If I were at Sony, I might think about writing an emulator so that old
> > > > PS1games could be run over the web using a flash 3D client such as
> > > > PV3D. I did some work some years ago with a PC emulator of the PS1 and
> > > > I can assure you it would be quite a formidable task, but once
> > > > accomplished would allow the entire back catalogue of PS1 titles,
> > > > tools etc to be redeployed on the web. I realize that Sony do not own
> > > > the rights to all the PS1 titles, but they published quite a few. I'm
> > > > sure there are many other titles out there that never got
> > > > finished/published/the attention they deserved, for which a last
> > > > flourish on the Web might be suitable. And there is always
> > > multiplayer...
> > > >
> > > > But I'm not at Sony, so I'd suggest the CDROM delivery of PS1 will
> > > > tend to produce bandwidth hungry titles - a low level emulator for a
> > > > first generation 3D cartridge system ( Nintendo was it?) might be a
> > > > bit easier on downloads.
> > > >
> > > > Although an interesting technical challenge, reproducing old content
> > > > isn't very creative.
> > > >
> > > > Yes I fully realize that this is all very wild speculation for a
> > > > system that is still in beta.
> > > >
> > > > Jake Lewis.
> > > >
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> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:51:40 -0500
> > > From: "John Grden" <neoriley at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Papervision3D] Sony first person shooter
> > > To: Papervision3D at osflash.org
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> > > man I'd really like to see if we could put a team together and see about
> > > how
> > > we might go about creating some games. With Carlos' and Jake's
> experience
> > > (
> > > I'm sure there are others as well ), I'd love to see what we could
> > > collectively put out and try.
> > >
> > > I don't know how feasible this is with everyone's time, but it sure
> would
> > > go
> > > along way in helping prove PV3D's abilities as well as help flush out
> > > other
> > > features needed.
> > >
> > > I'm sorry to come across so gung-ho on this stuff Carlos ;) I've just
> > > been
> > > starving for 3D in Flash for years now (as has everyone else) and I just
> > > know for a fact this could go along way in so many directions. One
> > > direction in particular (as I mentioned to Carlos) is to get adobe's
> > > attention to hopefully influence some 3D centric packages that might
> > > included with the player that would include methods specific to the
> number
> > > crunching that any 3D engine in Flash might have to use.
> > >
> > > Producing a large scale game/universe/immersion/website could certainly
> do
> > > that.
> > >
> > > On 12/26/06, Jake Lewis <jakelewis at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I believe Carlos developed for the original playstation, so he might
> be
> > > > more authoritative on this than I, but it does strike me that PV3D, or
> > > more
> > > > accurately, Flash 9 shares a few of the 'design choices' of the PS1.
> > > Namely,
> > > > a lack of perspective correction and a lack of zbuffer. Most PS1 games
> > > > managed to work around these limitations with good game design and
> > > feasible
> > > > environments. I'm not sure how the polygon/pixel throughput compares,
> > > > particularly considering that the half frame PS1 screensize would look
> > > > pretty small on today's hi def computer screen.
> > > >
> > > > If I were at Sony, I might think about writing an emulator so that old
> > > > PS1games could be run over the web using a flash 3D client such as
> PV3D.
> > > I
> > > > did some work some years ago with a PC emulator of the PS1 and I can
> > > assure
> > > > you it would be quite a formidable task, but once accomplished would
> > > allow
> > > > the entire back catalogue of PS1 titles, tools etc to be redeployed on
> > > the
> > > > web. I realize that Sony do not own the rights to all the PS1 titles,
> > > but
> > > > they published quite a few. I'm sure there are many other titles out
> > > there
> > > > that never got finished/published/the attention they deserved, for
> which
> > > a
> > > > last flourish on the Web might be suitable. And there is always
> > > > multiplayer...
> > > >
> > > > But I'm not at Sony, so I'd suggest the CDROM delivery of PS1 will
> tend
> > > > to produce bandwidth hungry titles - a low level emulator for a first
> > > > generation 3D cartridge system ( Nintendo was it?) might be a bit
> easier
> > > on
> > > > downloads.
> > > >
> > > > Although an interesting technical challenge, reproducing old content
> > > isn't
> > > > very creative.
> > > >
> > > > Yes I fully realize that this is all very wild speculation for a
> system
> > > > that is still in beta.
> > > >
> > > > Jake Lewis.
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 10:42:09 +0100
> > > From: "Davide Beltrame" <info at brolyweb.com>
> > > Subject: [Papervision3D] R: Sony first person shooter
> > > To: <Papervision3D at osflash.org>
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> > >
> > > Hi all people :-)
> > >
> > > I?m reading with lot of interest this mailing list and I see that lot of
> > > partecipant is good with 3D and/or Actionscript.
> > >
> > > Unlucky I?m not good with 3D?I?m a little good with AS (but not 3 yet),
> > > but
> > > in this mail I want to tell that I?m available to use my free time in
> test
> > > and debug process of game or other applications that you should start
> with
> > > PV3D?so, I can?t be useful as developer or graphic, but I hope that a
> > > ?testing? collaboration would be useful anyway :-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Good holidays to all ;)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Davide
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > Da: Papervision3D-bounces at osflash.org
> > > [mailto:Papervision3D-bounces at osflash.org] Per conto di John Grden
> > > Inviato: mercoled? 27 dicembre 2006 0.52
> > > A: Papervision3D at osflash.org
> > > Oggetto: Re: [Papervision3D] Sony first person shooter
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > man I'd really like to see if we could put a team together and see about
> > > how
> > > we might go about creating some games. With Carlos' and Jake's
> experience
> > > (
> > > I'm sure there are others as well ), I'd love to see what we could
> > > collectively put out and try.
> > >
> > > I don't know how feasible this is with everyone's time, but it sure
> would
> > > go
> > > along way in helping prove PV3D's abilities as well as help flush out
> > > other
> > > features needed.
> > >
> > > I'm sorry to come across so gung-ho on this stuff Carlos ;) I've just
> > > been
> > > starving for 3D in Flash for years now (as has everyone else) and I just
> > > know for a fact this could go along way in so many directions. One
> > > direction in particular (as I mentioned to Carlos) is to get adobe's
> > > attention to hopefully influence some 3D centric packages that might
> > > included with the player that would include methods specific to the
> number
> > > crunching that any 3D engine in Flash might have to use.
> > >
> > > Producing a large scale game/universe/immersion/website could certainly
> do
> > > that.
> > >
> > > On 12/26/06, Jake Lewis < <mailto:jakelewis at blueyonder.co.uk>
> > > jakelewis at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I believe Carlos developed for the original playstation, so he might be
> > > more
> > > authoritative on this than I, but it does strike me that PV3D, or more
> > > accurately, Flash 9 shares a few of the 'design choices' of the PS1.
> > > Namely,
> > > a lack of perspective correction and a lack of zbuffer. Most PS1 games
> > > managed to work around these limitations with good game design and
> > > feasible
> > > environments. I'm not sure how the polygon/pixel throughput compares,
> > > particularly considering that the half frame PS1 screensize would look
> > > pretty small on today's hi def computer screen.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If I were at Sony, I might think about writing an emulator so that old
> > > PS1games could be run over the web using a flash 3D client such as PV3D.
> I
> > > did some work some years ago with a PC emulator of the PS1 and I can
> > > assure
> > > you it would be quite a formidable task, but once accomplished would
> allow
> > > the entire back catalogue of PS1 titles, tools etc to be redeployed on
> the
> > > web. I realize that Sony do not own the rights to all the PS1 titles,
> but
> > > they published quite a few. I'm sure there are many other titles out
> there
> > > that never got finished/published/the attention they deserved, for which
> a
> > > last flourish on the Web might be suitable. And there is always
> > > multiplayer...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > But I'm not at Sony, so I'd suggest the CDROM delivery of PS1 will tend
> > > to
> > > produce bandwidth hungry titles - a low level emulator for a first
> > > generation 3D cartridge system ( Nintendo was it?) might be a bit easier
> > > on
> > > downloads.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Although an interesting technical challenge, reproducing old content
> isn't
> > > very creative.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes I fully realize that this is all very wild speculation for a system
> > > that
> > > is still in beta.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jake Lewis.
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 16:31:20 +0100
> From: "Davide Beltrame" <info at brolyweb.com>
> Subject: [Papervision3D] R: Games and stories
> To: <Papervision3D at osflash.org>
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> Right! Story is very important for an RPG!
> Btw, for translations / localized version, I can make English to Italian
> transposition of game options, story, etcetera :)
>
> Obviously this in addiction to the availability as "beta tester" ;)
>
> -----Messaggio originale-----
> Da: Papervision3D-bounces at osflash.org
> [mailto:Papervision3D-bounces at osflash.org] Per conto di fiver
> Inviato: mercoled? 27 dicembre 2006 16.24
> A: Papervision3D at osflash.org
> Oggetto: [Papervision3D] Games and stories
>
> Hey guys, I've been following the talk about game design and wanted to drop
> in my 2 cents. I
> looked at the shockwave skate game... impressive for a game that runs in the
> browser. It's a nice
> way to pass a little break time at work, but something like that doesn't
> seem to me to be worth
> the effort. Now, an RPG with multiplayer capabilities might be. But, with
> something like this,
> story is king. An awesome story makes it worth the effort I believe. And
> will also divert the
> attention from the flaws that doing something like this in Flash would
> introduce. Without the aide
> of hardware, it won't be Half-Life - The Lost Coast. Which is just fine --
> as long as the story
> kicks serious ass. I write fiction, so if you guys decide to do a game and
> need a story -- I'd
> love to help in that area.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- Papervision3D-request at osflash.org wrote:
>
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> > 1. Re: Papervision3D Digest, Vol 3, Issue 66 (Matthew Hare)
> >
> >
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> >
> > Message: 1
> > Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 09:56:26 +0000
> > From: "Matthew Hare" <matt.hare at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Papervision3D] Papervision3D Digest, Vol 3, Issue 66
> > To: Papervision3D at osflash.org
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> > <fb9cbdf70612270156m2e60b6dcpdc825c1840ef34d0 at mail.gmail.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > I think adobe have 3D in mind already, but they wont talk about it at all.
> > Thats just the feeling i get from the "Flash on the Beach" conference and
> > having talked to a few of the bigger people in the picture, like Paul
> Betlam
> > (whose card i have somewhere, I've probably spelt his name wrong) and Mike
> > Downey.
> >
> > However, Flash is constantly evolving, so we just need to keep the lively
> > opensource support there, and we can adapt for whatever comes our way.
> >
> > I think Adobe would be very impressed with PV3D, they have a habit of
> hiring
> > the best Flash dev's to develop for the newest versions of Flash, so some
> of
> > you guys may find Adobe knocking on your doors if we can do many of the
> > things we want to do with it.
> >
> > Either way, there's a great core here.. so great things are going to
> happen
> > :)
> >
> >
> >
> > On 27/12/06, Papervision3D-request at osflash.org <
> > Papervision3D-request at osflash.org> wrote:
> > >
> > > Send Papervision3D mailing list submissions to
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> > > 1. Re: Sony first person shooter (ricardo cabello ! mr.doob)
> > > 2. Re: Sony first person shooter (John Grden)
> > > 3. R: Sony first person shooter (Davide Beltrame)
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> > > Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 00:17:33 +0000
> > > From: "ricardo cabello ! mr.doob" <info at mrdoob.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Papervision3D] Sony first person shooter
> > > To: Papervision3D at osflash.org
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> > > How many polys per frame was psx able to show? (at 24/30 fps?)
> > >
> > > Jake Lewis wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I believe Carlos developed for the original playstation, so he might
> > > > be more authoritative on this than I, but it does strike me that PV3D,
> > > > or more accurately, Flash 9 shares a few of the 'design choices' of
> > > > the PS1. Namely, a lack of perspective correction and a lack of
> > > > zbuffer. Most PS1 games managed to work around these limitations with
> > > > good game design and feasible environments. I'm not sure how the
> > > > polygon/pixel throughput compares, particularly considering that the
> > > > half frame PS1 screensize would look pretty small on today's hi def
> > > > computer screen.
> > > >
> > > > If I were at Sony, I might think about writing an emulator so that old
> > > > PS1games could be run over the web using a flash 3D client such as
> > > > PV3D. I did some work some years ago with a PC emulator of the PS1 and
> > > > I can assure you it would be quite a formidable task, but once
> > > > accomplished would allow the entire back catalogue of PS1 titles,
> > > > tools etc to be redeployed on the web. I realize that Sony do not own
> > > > the rights to all the PS1 titles, but they published quite a few. I'm
> > > > sure there are many other titles out there that never got
> > > > finished/published/the attention they deserved, for which a last
> > > > flourish on the Web might be suitable. And there is always
> > > multiplayer...
> > > >
> > > > But I'm not at Sony, so I'd suggest the CDROM delivery of PS1 will
> > > > tend to produce bandwidth hungry titles - a low level emulator for a
> > > > first generation 3D cartridge system ( Nintendo was it?) might be a
> > > > bit easier on downloads.
> > > >
> > > > Although an interesting technical challenge, reproducing old content
> > > > isn't very creative.
> > > >
> > > > Yes I fully realize that this is all very wild speculation for a
> > > > system that is still in beta.
> > > >
> > > > Jake Lewis.
> > > >
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> > > ------------------------------
> > >
> > > Message: 2
> > > Date: Tue, 26 Dec 2006 18:51:40 -0500
> > > From: "John Grden" <neoriley at gmail.com>
> > > Subject: Re: [Papervision3D] Sony first person shooter
> > > To: Papervision3D at osflash.org
> > > Message-ID:
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> > >
> > > man I'd really like to see if we could put a team together and see about
> > > how
> > > we might go about creating some games. With Carlos' and Jake's
> experience
> > > (
> > > I'm sure there are others as well ), I'd love to see what we could
> > > collectively put out and try.
> > >
> > > I don't know how feasible this is with everyone's time, but it sure
> would
> > > go
> > > along way in helping prove PV3D's abilities as well as help flush out
> > > other
> > > features needed.
> > >
> > > I'm sorry to come across so gung-ho on this stuff Carlos ;) I've just
> > > been
> > > starving for 3D in Flash for years now (as has everyone else) and I just
> > > know for a fact this could go along way in so many directions. One
> > > direction in particular (as I mentioned to Carlos) is to get adobe's
> > > attention to hopefully influence some 3D centric packages that might
> > > included with the player that would include methods specific to the
> number
> > > crunching that any 3D engine in Flash might have to use.
> > >
> > > Producing a large scale game/universe/immersion/website could certainly
> do
> > > that.
> > >
> > > On 12/26/06, Jake Lewis <jakelewis at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I believe Carlos developed for the original playstation, so he might
> be
> > > > more authoritative on this than I, but it does strike me that PV3D, or
> > > more
> > > > accurately, Flash 9 shares a few of the 'design choices' of the PS1.
> > > Namely,
> > > > a lack of perspective correction and a lack of zbuffer. Most PS1 games
> > > > managed to work around these limitations with good game design and
> > > feasible
> > > > environments. I'm not sure how the polygon/pixel throughput compares,
> > > > particularly considering that the half frame PS1 screensize would look
> > > > pretty small on today's hi def computer screen.
> > > >
> > > > If I were at Sony, I might think about writing an emulator so that old
> > > > PS1games could be run over the web using a flash 3D client such as
> PV3D.
> > > I
> > > > did some work some years ago with a PC emulator of the PS1 and I can
> > > assure
> > > > you it would be quite a formidable task, but once accomplished would
> > > allow
> > > > the entire back catalogue of PS1 titles, tools etc to be redeployed on
> > > the
> > > > web. I realize that Sony do not own the rights to all the PS1 titles,
> > > but
> > > > they published quite a few. I'm sure there are many other titles out
> > > there
> > > > that never got finished/published/the attention they deserved, for
> which
> > > a
> > > > last flourish on the Web might be suitable. And there is always
> > > > multiplayer...
> > > >
> > > > But I'm not at Sony, so I'd suggest the CDROM delivery of PS1 will
> tend
> > > > to produce bandwidth hungry titles - a low level emulator for a first
> > > > generation 3D cartridge system ( Nintendo was it?) might be a bit
> easier
> > > on
> > > > downloads.
> > > >
> > > > Although an interesting technical challenge, reproducing old content
> > > isn't
> > > > very creative.
> > > >
> > > > Yes I fully realize that this is all very wild speculation for a
> system
> > > > that is still in beta.
> > > >
> > > > Jake Lewis.
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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> > >
> > > Message: 3
> > > Date: Wed, 27 Dec 2006 10:42:09 +0100
> > > From: "Davide Beltrame" <info at brolyweb.com>
> > > Subject: [Papervision3D] R: Sony first person shooter
> > > To: <Papervision3D at osflash.org>
> > > Message-ID: <FBCMFE02B15vFCorX9B00009e08 at FBCMFE02B15.fbc.local>
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> > >
> > > Hi all people :-)
> > >
> > > I?m reading with lot of interest this mailing list and I see that lot of
> > > partecipant is good with 3D and/or Actionscript.
> > >
> > > Unlucky I?m not good with 3D?I?m a little good with AS (but not 3 yet),
> > > but
> > > in this mail I want to tell that I?m available to use my free time in
> test
> > > and debug process of game or other applications that you should start
> with
> > > PV3D?so, I can?t be useful as developer or graphic, but I hope that a
> > > ?testing? collaboration would be useful anyway :-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Good holidays to all ;)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Davide
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > Da: Papervision3D-bounces at osflash.org
> > > [mailto:Papervision3D-bounces at osflash.org] Per conto di John Grden
> > > Inviato: mercoled? 27 dicembre 2006 0.52
> > > A: Papervision3D at osflash.org
> > > Oggetto: Re: [Papervision3D] Sony first person shooter
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > man I'd really like to see if we could put a team together and see about
> > > how
> > > we might go about creating some games. With Carlos' and Jake's
> experience
> > > (
> > > I'm sure there are others as well ), I'd love to see what we could
> > > collectively put out and try.
> > >
> > > I don't know how feasible this is with everyone's time, but it sure
> would
> > > go
> > > along way in helping prove PV3D's abilities as well as help flush out
> > > other
> > > features needed.
> > >
> > > I'm sorry to come across so gung-ho on this stuff Carlos ;) I've just
> > > been
> > > starving for 3D in Flash for years now (as has everyone else) and I just
> > > know for a fact this could go along way in so many directions. One
> > > direction in particular (as I mentioned to Carlos) is to get adobe's
> > > attention to hopefully influence some 3D centric packages that might
> > > included with the player that would include methods specific to the
> number
> > > crunching that any 3D engine in Flash might have to use.
> > >
> > > Producing a large scale game/universe/immersion/website could certainly
> do
> > > that.
> > >
> > > On 12/26/06, Jake Lewis < <mailto:jakelewis at blueyonder.co.uk>
> > > jakelewis at blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I believe Carlos developed for the original playstation, so he might be
> > > more
> > > authoritative on this than I, but it does strike me that PV3D, or more
> > > accurately, Flash 9 shares a few of the 'design choices' of the PS1.
> > > Namely,
> > > a lack of perspective correction and a lack of zbuffer. Most PS1 games
> > > managed to work around these limitations with good game design and
> > > feasible
> > > environments. I'm not sure how the polygon/pixel throughput compares,
> > > particularly considering that the half frame PS1 screensize would look
> > > pretty small on today's hi def computer screen.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > If I were at Sony, I might think about writing an emulator so that old
> > > PS1games could be run over the web using a flash 3D client such as PV3D.
> I
> > > did some work some years ago with a PC emulator of the PS1 and I can
> > > assure
> > > you it would be quite a formidable task, but once accomplished would
> allow
> > > the entire back catalogue of PS1 titles, tools etc to be redeployed on
> the
> > > web. I realize that Sony do not own the rights to all the PS1 titles,
> but
> > > they published quite a few. I'm sure there are many other titles out
> there
> > > that never got finished/published/the attention they deserved, for which
> a
> > > last flourish on the Web might be suitable. And there is always
> > > multiplayer...
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > But I'm not at Sony, so I'd suggest the CDROM delivery of PS1 will tend
> > > to
> > > produce bandwidth hungry titles - a low level emulator for a first
> > > generation 3D cartridge system ( Nintendo was it?) might be a bit easier
> > > on
> > > downloads.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Although an interesting technical challenge, reproducing old content
> isn't
> > > very creative.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yes I fully realize that this is all very wild speculation for a system
> > > that
> > > is still in beta.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jake Lewis.
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Papervision3D mailing list
> > > Papervision3D at osflash.org
> > > http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/papervision3d_osflash.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
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