[Papervision3D] vamos a la playa! :)
Carlos Lunetta
carlos.lunetta at gmail.com
Fri Apr 6 15:02:34 EDT 2007
Have you guys worked with Processing OpengGL mode? It's a pretty smooth
"mode tweak" - if you define the applet to run in OpenGL, everything is
the same from the software accelerated version, but it uses hardware.
That would be a great way to go.
Trevor Burton wrote:
> The speculation around hardware support for Flash Player seems to be
> constant... there may, in future be some form of hardware support in
> future versions of Flash but at the moment the desire from Adobe to
> keep the player download small and the ability of the Flash Player to
> render content in EXACTLY the same way on every system is the driving
> force behind there NOT being any hardware support so far...
>
> ...As soon as there's hardware support there will be a need for a
> variety of low-level libraries to try and provide everyone with a
> similar experience and we'll all start having the sort of issues faced
> by C++ developers about which system to use which we're lucky to be
> free from right now...
>
> ...for a long time a lot of Actionscript developers have been hacking
> away at producing 3D solutions for flash, either for production jobs
> or just for our own amusement... now PV3D has come along everyone's
> talking about hardware support and wanting more, more, more! It'll
> probably come at some point in the next couple of years... until then
> we have to be sneaky, crafty and clever in the way that we develop
> applications in order to produce what we want...
>
> Developers who worked on early systems like the spectrum and amiga had
> to be clever and find ingenious ways to use the limited resources at
> their disposal. We're in the same position now as they were then but
> we have access to all the tricks that they came up with. Let's stand
> on the shoulders of those giants and create some cool stuff. Then when
> hardware support comes along we'll be all the more skilled for it and
> take it even further.
>
> But that's just like, you know, my opinion, man....
>
> T
>
> On 4/6/07, *Sebastian Mohr* <sebastian.mohr at gmail.com
> <mailto:sebastian.mohr at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Ralph,
>
> what's the name of Adobe's 3D api for the FlashPlayer? Will
> it be included into the FlashPlayer 10? Where can I have look
> at it?
>
> Maybe the Tamarin-Project is the key to the need
> to access hardware-accelerating components:
>
> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/tamarin/
>
> ???
>
> Regards,
> masu
>
>
>
> On 4/6/07, *Ralph Hauwert * <r.hauwert at gmail.com
> <mailto:r.hauwert at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Martin,
>
> Welcome to the list. I think we all feel PV3D has some future,
> in one way or another. Even if Adobe starts having their own
> 3D api with hardware support, PV3D's API will be a nice
> stepping stone towards it for most developers. But this is all
> just pure speculation, we don't know what we'll get in the new
> release in the Flash Player....
>
> Ralph.
>
>
> On 4/6/07, *Sebastian Mohr* < sebastian.mohr at gmail.com
> <mailto:sebastian.mohr at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Marcin,
>
> welcome, I'm new to this maillinglist to :)
>
> Do you have a website for this
>
> "ESRI WebArc Explorer"-Viewer
>
> where I can have a look at it?
>
> Thank you,
> masu
>
>
>
> On 4/6/07, *Marcin Czech* < loobuz at gmail.com
> <mailto:loobuz at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Thats my first post so hello everyone!
> Im a student doin research on web 3D and GIS systems.
> I saw someone mentioning PaperEarth3D.. so here is my
> 50cents
> GIS systems are kind of visualization of geo data,
> making decisions, planings etc on it. That kind of
> buisness exploded when google released its google
> maps. The market is evolving and so are technologies.
> Few months ago ESRI the main player on GIS released
> WebArc Explorer based on Adobe Flex (ActionScrpit 3.0)
> with is more fancy google maps. However still 2D.
> There is a big demand on 3D in web, thats a fact and
> there are several technologies to make it going. There
> are no stable standards of 3D at the moment. X3D is
> good as a representation of files, but the players
> (Flux for instance) require another plug-in to be
> installed. People dont like to install plugins, thats
> life. There is a plug-in however - Flash Player. 90%
> of ppl got it. Stable, supported by a big player
> Adobe, and it has nice 3D open source engine :)
> created by programmers for programmers - that is how
> the practical standards are created. Now my point here
> is that for me PaperVision3d has a bright future, it
> can (it is already) used on web pages, used for
> presentations, its soon gonna be standard like Flash
> became a standard for 2D. If Adobe will take a deeper
> look at 3D on web, and it will (that is called
> progress) - things can become more fancy for
> PaperVision3D.
> Now I mentioned about the deal between Adobe and ESRI
> (GIS). I find PaperVision3D as a great tool to give 3D
> city representations on public. First of all there is
> plenty of city data created, very simple based on XML
> (city GML), so that it wont be a bottleneck for
> engine. Now image goin through your virtual city in
> your browser. Anyone can do that - coz everyone got
> FPlayer, and i think cities would pay money to get
> that kind of online presentation on their web pages or
> just to present the city on some exhibitions outside
> the country for instance. Didnt convince u? how about
> using Flex and WebServices to get data from Geo
> Servers at runtime. Or how about multiplayer real city
> with video cams and chats? My point here is that Flex
> + PV3D will find nice place to live here in GIS
> systems environment. Its just its practical usage and
> simplicity.
>
> P.S sorry for my english
>
> Marcin Czech
> www.sauax.boo.pl <http://www.sauax.boo.pl>
> http://gisflex3d.blogspot.com/
>
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