[Red5] Mission Creep?

Tue Apr 11 14:26:44 EDT 2006

Ok, Again apology to any noses tweeked or if I went off half cocked. I
stayed clear of the developers list because I'm pretty much a non-coder. I
do think though that I could well be a typical user of Red5 in that I have
more idea's than knowledge. My impression of Red5 was of a tool to harness
the creative power of the flash platform without the financial burden of
MM/Adobe's licensing regime and in the odd occurance without the tech
limitations of FCS/FMS as a closed box. I think maybe I took it that Red 5
would do what FCS/FMS does, and far far more besides with a minimal barrier
to entry.

The tech side of my brain needs no convincing as to the fact that Red5 being
built on Java can do anything that Java can do, namely the full power of OO.
So, with that I'm off to study up on Java ;)

Hope you don't think I'm picking holes, it must be because it's raining here
so I'm in a doom and gloom mood.. :( ..lol

Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: Red5-bounces at osflash.org [mailto:Red5-bounces at osflash.org] On Behalf
Of Luke Hubbard (luke at codegent.com)
Sent: 11 April 2006 18:18
To: Red5 at osflash.org
Subject: Re: [Red5] Mission Creep?

On 4/12/06, Chris Allen <mrchrisallen at gmail.com> wrote:

Well put Jake! This is perhaps why Justin has the perception that Red5
is experiencing  scope creep. I think that Justin's concern stems from
the misconception (shared by many) that we are trying to replicate
FMS, but this has never been our goal.  Not only is Red5 intended as a 
very capable streaming media server, but it's also a full blown
application server. 

Wow.. hold. I would put that another way as it may be misunderstood.
We want to give developers easy access to app server services. So hibernate,
spring, etc. 
We are not building an app server like jboss. Now that would be missing
creep :)  

BTW I have a reply to this thread in my drafts, but work took over.
I think most of the points have been made already, but I might post anyway. 

This has been the intent since very early on and
the project's timeline and history reflect this. 

Anyway, we are all happy to hear people's perspectives on the project
and we really appreciate you letting us know how you feel.

-Chris

On 4/11/06, Jake Hilton < <mailto:red5 at jakehilton.com>  red5 at jakehilton.com>
wrote:
> I agree Ayo... one huge advantage already is true oop on the server. With
> java capabilities it really strengthens red5's stance... Makes it more
like
> an application/streaming server rather than just a streaming server. 
>
> Jake
>
>
> On 4/11/06, Lee McColl-Sylvester <lee.mccoll at lyons-group.co.uk> wrote:
> >
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> > Nicely said!
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> >
> > I once built a product for the purpose of selling, but had it quoted
from
> a friend that he only opted for open source technologies, so didn't want
to 
> use it (even though I offered it for free).  Thing is, everything he
built,
> he sold!
> >
> >
> >
> > Lee
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> > 
> > ________________________________
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> > From: Red5-bounces at osflash.org [mailto: Red5-bounces at osflash.org
<mailto:Red5-bounces at osflash.org> ] On
> Behalf Of a /
> > Sent: 11 April 2006 16:28
> >
> > To: Red5 at osflash.org
> > Subject: Re: [Red5] Mission Creep?
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> > 
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> > I see R5 as a much needed option to FMS, capable of performing and
> hopefully outstripping the capabilities of FMS. By its very nature of
being 
> open source, it means that development will not be totally governed by
> economics but more from a developer point of view. In some respect it will
> also drive improvements in FMS development. Every Coca Cola needs a Pepsi.

> >
> > [a /]
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> > ________________________________
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> > From: Red5-bounces at osflash.org [mailto: Red5-bounces at osflash.org] On
> Behalf Of John Grden
> > Sent: 11 April 2006 15:39
> > To: Red5 at osflash.org  <mailto:Red5 at osflash.org> 
> > Subject: Re: [Red5] Mission Creep?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks Rob, and not to rain on what you've said here, I think it's
> appropriate to point out that we (Red5 team) don't look at Red5 as being a

> replacement for FCS by any means.  It's a much needed option and I think a
> tremendous boost for Flashers everywhere.
> >
> > I'm not trying to make an example out of you Rob, so please don't take
it 
> that way ;)
> >
> > I just see alot of posts saying it's a replacement and I wanted to point
> out that we don't view it that way.  Everyone I think can recognize that
> some companies/projects will only work with a product that has a company
who 
> can support it with a support contract etc and vise-versa - some will only
> work with OS or similar open formats.  And obviously, there's a ton of
> projects that are educational/non-profit/medical that maybe Red5 can help 
> out with.
> >
> > Anyway, \m/
> >
> >
> > On 4/11/06, Rob Terrell < robterrell at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > Justin, I'm following the Red5 developer list, and I don't get the sense
> that there is any mission creep happening at all. Quite a bit of what gets
> discussed on this list is off-topic -- not to willfully divert the 
> developers, but out genuine excitement. Some (including myself) have
> discussed topics like transcoding, porting to C or C#, server-side Ruby,
and
> other things. But that's talk over here -- not on the dev list. 
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The devs are plugging away, following the roadmap (if you haven't seen
it,
> take a look at it). The progress they're making is right towards what
you're 
> looking for -- a feature-complete replacement for FCS. As for a cleaned-up
> API that looks similar to the FCS API, you should see what you're looking
> for in the .6 release. .4 is the release being worked on now. And if
you're 
> not afraid to roll up your sleeves and port your server-side actionscript
> code to Java, you can do quite a bit with Red5 today.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Today you can connect a NetConnection, make a NetStream, and play live
or 
> archived video. You can send arbitrary messages on that net connection.
You
> can create persistent shared objects. A lot of stuff people want to
> implement ( i.e. video chat rooms) is possible today. 
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> > On Apr 11, 2006, at 9:58 AM, Justin Lewis wrote:
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> > This is just my observation, but I detect the early signs of a little
> mission creep setting in with Red5. When I first discovered Red5 it had 
> gotten off to a flying start with a working rtmp streaming server. Maybe
> it's not my place to say, and this if for the projects leaders to decide
but
> I think there's a little creep setting in from what I perceived was the 
> original goal. I see a lot of talk on the list about porting, adding non
> core features and doing a whole load of things that aren't that necessary
in
> a communication server.
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> > I just think that Red5 should be a very approachable server, the key to
> that is the core API so keeping as near as possible to the standard
> Macromedia API's in order to attract Flash Coders and Designers. I think
all 
> the other functionality everyone's spoken about could then be best
achieved
> by making the server extensible via plug ins  with a flash-esque API that
> can be consumed natively within any Red5 flash comm. Script. Then, for the

> super doper clever stuff that any Java coder wants to add on it's up to
them
> to get stuck in and mod Red5 as they see fit, it is after all open source.
> >
> >
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> > Hope I've not put noses out of joint?
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> >
> > Regards
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Justin.
> >
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