[Red5] edge-origin live show
Steven Gong
steven.gong at gmail.com
Tue Feb 5 17:44:20 PST 2008
As there is no business state stored in Edge, it is not a problem if Edge is
down. Origin is a single point of failure so it is one of the next steps to
enable redundant Origins.
On Feb 5, 2008 11:39 PM, Sales Department <sales at interalab.com> wrote:
> The way the Flash code works, if one of the machines goes down, it has a
> failed net connection and tries again. On the second try, DNS will hand
> off a different server. So, DNS doesn't have to know about the status
> of the servers.
>
> Dan Rossi wrote:
> > That would be a round robin system via the dns then which sounds kinda
> > interesting. Hardware LB routers to funky things like connection
> > monitoring or something like that so it knows where to go to, if one
> > machine goes down it may still connect to it correct ? I sent some
> > code examples I think on the round robin code i had to implement when
> > the LB went down on us.
> >
> > On 05/02/2008, at 11:39 PM, Sales Department wrote:
> >
> >
> >> It's a DNS server, which is hardware/software using BIND.
> >>
> >> Steven Gong wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Bill,
> >>> Thanks for the info. What LB are you using? Software LB or hardware
> >>> LB?
> >>>
> >>> On Feb 5, 2008 10:30 AM, Interalab <sales at interalab.com
> >>> <mailto:sales at interalab.com>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Sure.
> >>>
> >>> On the DNS side, it's a simple round-robin LB:
> >>>
> >>> domain.com <http://domain.com>.
> >>> edge A [server ip edge #1]
> >>> A [server ip edge #2]
> >>> A [server ip edge #3]
> >>> origin A [server ip origin]
> >>>
> >>> This sets up two domain names, one pointed to the origin and
> >>> another
> >>> pointed to the edges (address gets handed out round robin to all
> >>> IP's
> >>> under the edge host). I found that DNS can't provide addresses
> >>> based on
> >>> port of the request, and Flash will try rtmp and then fail over to
> >>> rtmpt, but will only try on the same address. This way, I can try
> >>> rmtp
> >>> on one address and rtmpt on another one.
> >>>
> >>> On the Flash side, we set a flag to try the edge server first,
> >>> then if
> >>> it fails, try the origin server:
> >>>
> >>> if(toggle==true){
> >>> trace("try rtmp");
> >>> toggle = false;
> >>> my_nc.connect(edge.domain.com <http://edge.domain.com>,
> >>> . . .);
> >>> } else {
> >>> trace("try rtmpt");
> >>> toggle = true;
> >>> my_nc.connect(origin.domain.com
> >>> <http://origin.domain.com>, . . . );
> >>> }
> >>>
> >>> Watch the my_nc.onStatus() to find out if the connection was
> >>> successful. If not, try again.
> >>>
> >>> I never said I was a good coder, but this seems to work :-)
> >>> Comments,
> >>> improvements welcome.
> >>>
> >>> Bill.
> >>>
> >>> Steven Gong wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Hi Bill,
> >>>> Can you share your load-balancing configurations and deployment
> >>>> solution with us? Thanks!
> >>>>
> >>>> On Feb 4, 2008 11:29 PM, Sales Department <sales at interalab.com
> >>>>
> >>> <mailto:sales at interalab.com>
> >>>
> >>>> <mailto:sales at interalab.com <mailto:sales at interalab.com>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I used
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> http://jira.red5.org/confluence/display/docs/Edge+Origin+Clustering+Configuration
> >>>
> >>>> for our configuration and it was really easy to do. The new
> >>>>
> >>> target
> >>>
> >>>> should make it even easier, thanks.
> >>>>
> >>>> The last I remember, someone said the Terracotta set up was not
> >>>> working
> >>>> yet. If it is working, I don't know much about Terracotta,
> >>>>
> >>> so a short
> >>>
> >>>> bullet point list of benefits would be helpful.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards,
> >>>> Bill
> >>>>
> >>>> Thijs Triemstra | Collab wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> hi Bill,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks for the stats :) I added a new 'ant dist-cluster'
> >>>>>
> >>> target to
> >>>
> >>>>> the main ant build file yesterday, that creates a
> >>>>>
> >>> 'cluster' folder
> >>>
> >>>>> containing an 'edge' and 'origin' folder/server. Let us
> >>>>>
> >>> know if you
> >>>
> >>>>> have any ideas on how to make it easier to create red5
> >>>>>
> >>> clustering
> >>>
> >>>>> setups.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thijs
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Feb 4, 2008, at 3:43 PM, Sales Department wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> It's an alternate configuration of Red5 where you can hang
> >>>>>>
> >>>> additional
> >>>>
> >>>>>> servers (edges) off the main server that contains the
> >>>>>>
> >>> applications
> >>>
> >>>>>> (origin). I can't seem to find the wiki link for the
> >>>>>>
> >>> setup at the
> >>>
> >>>>>> moment. You could search the email lists for it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Bill
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mark van Harmelen wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> for a n00b, please, what's an origin, and what's an edge (I
> >>>>>>>
> >>>> think I
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> can guess, but I'd like confirmation, please)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> thanks
> >>>>>>> mark
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2008 2:33 PM, Sales Department
> >>>>>>>
> >>> <sales at interalab.com <mailto:sales at interalab.com>
> >>>
> >>>> <mailto:sales at interalab.com <mailto:sales at interalab.com>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> <mailto:sales at interalab.com <mailto:sales at interalab.com>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> <mailto:sales at interalab.com <mailto:sales at interalab.com>>>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Origin looked just like the edges as far as CPU and
> >>>>>>>
> >>> memory are
> >>>
> >>>>>>> concerned. Of course, all 30 mbps was being
> >>>>>>>
> >>> delivered by the
> >>>
> >>>>>>> origin
> >>>>>>> where the edges were only delivering their share.
> >>>>>>>
> >>> All three
> >>>
> >>>>>>> servers are
> >>>>>>> the same hardware and in the same data center,
> >>>>>>>
> >>> connected to
> >>>
> >>>>>>> the same
> >>>>>>> 1Gbit switch, so there shouldn't have been any
> >>>>>>>
> >>> latency between
> >>>
> >>>>>>> servers.
> >>>>>>> Each server has two NIC's.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The CPU load suggests that we could have supported
> >>>>>>>
> >>> over 700
> >>>
> >>>>>>> concurrent
> >>>>>>> viewers with a CPU of under 90% load.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The big question for me is whether I can feed a
> >>>>>>>
> >>> second origin
> >>>
> >>>>>>> from the
> >>>>>>> first so I could have a duplicate system in a second
> >>>>>>>
> >>> data
> >>>
> >>>> center?
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> Bill
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Steven Gong wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks for reporting this, Bill! :-)
> >>>>>>>> I am interested in the load of Origin too.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2008 9:53 PM, Sales Department
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> <sales at interalab.com <mailto:sales at interalab.com>
> >>>
> >>>> <mailto:sales at interalab.com <mailto:sales at interalab.com>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> <mailto:sales at interalab.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>> <mailto:sales at interalab.com> <mailto:sales at interalab.com
> >>> <mailto:sales at interalab.com>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> <mailto:sales at interalab.com
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> <mailto:sales at interalab.com> <mailto:sales at interalab.com
> >>> <mailto:sales at interalab.com>>
> >>>
> >>>> <mailto:sales at interalab.com <mailto:sales at interalab.com>
> >>>>
> >>> <mailto:sales at interalab.com <mailto:sales at interalab.com>>>>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> Hello all. Just wanted to post the results of a
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> live show
> >>>
> >>>>>>> we did last
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> week using the edge/origin configuration.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Config:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Red5 trunk revision 2538
> >>>>>>>> Origin plus two edges.
> >>>>>>>> Routing all rtmpt to the origin and rtmp to the edges.
> >>>>>>>> Each server is a dual core AMD Athlon 64 5400+ (I
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> think)
> >>>
> >>>> with 4
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> Gig RAM,
> >>>>>>>> Ubuntu Linux, all in one data center.
> >>>>>>>> 1Gbit Internet connection and switching hardware.
> >>>>>>>> Using live encoded stream as source, 427x240
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> (widescreen),
> >>>
> >>>>>>> 20fps.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Encoder is a dual core AMD Athlon 64 4800+ with 1
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> Gig RAM,
> >>>
> >>>>>>> firewire
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> camera/audio feed, Ubuntu Linux.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Event:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 3 hour live talk show, one camera.
> >>>>>>>> University Internet connection used for upstream
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> encoder
> >>>
> >>>> link.
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> Performance:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Summary- couldn't have been any better! No
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> problems, dropped
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> connections, or choppiness. Very stable.
> >>>>>>>> Approximately 30 mbps of client connections spread
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> over the
> >>>
> >>>>>>> origin
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> and edges
> >>>>>>>> Load balancing was perfect, spreading rtmp connections
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> equally between
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> the edges, all rtmpt sent to origin.
> >>>>>>>> The origin showed two connections, one from each edge,
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> consuming
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> approximately 12mbps each, plus about 6mbps of rtmpt
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>> connections
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>> directly to origin from clients.
> >>>>>>>> RAM consumption on the servers never exceeded 2 GB
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> each.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> CPU performance on all three servers was about 12%
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> load each.
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> Thank you Red5 team for a great piece of software!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> You are
> >>>
> >>>>>>> helping to
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> enable a revolution in media delivery.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>>>>>>
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> >>>
> >>>> <mailto:Red5 at osflash.org <mailto:Red5 at osflash.org>
> >>>>
> >>> <mailto:Red5 at osflash.org <mailto:Red5 at osflash.org>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> <mailto:Red5 at osflash.org <mailto:Red5 at osflash.org>
> >>>>>>>
> >>> <mailto:Red5 at osflash.org <mailto:Red5 at osflash.org>>
> >>>
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> >>>>
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> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Best Regards
> >>>>>>>> Steven Gong
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> InfraRed5 Red5 Consultant: http://www.infrared5.com,
> >>>>>>>> steven at infrared5.com <mailto:steven at infrared5.com>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>> <mailto:steven at infrared5.com <mailto:steven at infrared5.com>>
> >>>
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> >>>>
> >>> <mailto:steven at infrared5.com <mailto:steven at infrared5.com>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>> <mailto:steven at infrared5.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>> <mailto:steven at infrared5.com> <mailto:steven at infrared5.com
> >>> <mailto:steven at infrared5.com>>
> >>>
> >>>> <mailto:steven at infrared5.com <mailto:steven at infrared5.com>
> >>>>
> >>> <mailto:steven at infrared5.com <mailto:steven at infrared5.com>>>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> Red5 Developer: http://osflash.org/red5,
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> >>>>>>>>
> >>> <http://jira.red5.org/confluence/display/%7Esteven/Home>
> >>>
> >>>> <http://jira.red5.org/confluence/display/%7Esteven/Home>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> <http://jira.red5.org/confluence/display/%7Esteven/Home>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> <http://jira.red5.org/confluence/display/%7Esteven/Home>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Javaflash Project Founder and Maintainer:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://osflash.org/javaflash
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Modesty is an overrated quality in men of no great
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> accomplishment. --
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Ricky Jay
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>
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> >>>>>>>
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> >>>
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> >>>>
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> >>>>>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Best Regards
> >>>> Steven Gong
> >>>>
> >>>> InfraRed5 Red5 Consultant: http://www.infrared5.com,
> >>>> steven at infrared5.com <mailto:steven at infrared5.com>
> >>>>
> >>> <mailto:steven at infrared5.com <mailto:steven at infrared5.com>>
> >>>
> >>>> Red5 Developer: http://osflash.org/red5,
> >>>> http://jira.red5.org/confluence/display/~steven/Home<http://jira.red5.org/confluence/display/%7Esteven/Home>
> >>>>
> >>> <http://jira.red5.org/confluence/display/%7Esteven/Home>
> >>>
> >>>> <http://jira.red5.org/confluence/display/%7Esteven/Home>
> >>>>
> >>>> Javaflash Project Founder and Maintainer:
> >>>>
> >>> http://osflash.org/javaflash
> >>>
> >>>> Modesty is an overrated quality in men of no great
> >>>>
> >>> accomplishment. --
> >>>
> >>>> Ricky Jay
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>> --
> >>> Best Regards
> >>> Steven Gong
> >>>
> >>> InfraRed5 Red5 Consultant: http://www.infrared5.com,
> >>> steven at infrared5.com <mailto:steven at infrared5.com>
> >>>
> >>> Red5 Developer: http://osflash.org/red5,
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> >>> <http://jira.red5.org/confluence/display/%7Esteven/Home>
> >>>
> >>> Javaflash Project Founder and Maintainer: http://osflash.org/
> >>> javaflash
> >>>
> >>> Modesty is an overrated quality in men of no great accomplishment.
> >>> --
> >>> Ricky Jay
> >>>
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Steven Gong
InfraRed5 Red5 Consultant: http://www.infrared5.com, steven at infrared5.com
Red5 Developer: http://osflash.org/red5,
http://jira.red5.org/confluence/display/~steven/Home
Javaflash Project Founder and Maintainer: http://osflash.org/javaflash
Modesty is an overrated quality in men of no great accomplishment. -- Ricky
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