[Red5] RTMP is patented by Adobe?

[Giovanni]

I guess nothing has change, if patented its useless for most of the  
current uses of RED5.

Did anyone know about this when the RED5 project started or when  
developing sites based on Red5?

I still feel that for commercial solutions, the likelihood of there  
being a patent increases the risks for a lawsuit. While some may not  
see this as a show stopper, in most commercial cases Red5 vs FMS will  
win out.

It would be good to actually seek counsel to clear the matter.



On Mar 6, 2008, at 7:41 PM, Dan Rossi wrote:

> Thats what I thought so nothing has changed then.
>
> On 07/03/2008, at 2:27 PM, Dominick Accattato wrote:
>
>> That patent has existed for years.
>> http://osflash.org/red5/fud
>>
>> On Mar 6, 2008, at 10:04 PM, Dan Rossi wrote:
>>
>>> Im also seeing suggestions of patents of the same protocol for
>>> something else
>>>
>>> RTMP (Routing Table Maintenance Protocol)
>>>
>>> Or unless thats the same ? I would have thought the patent covers  
>>> the
>>> protocol name aswell.
>>>
>>> On 07/03/2008, at 1:48 PM, Dan Rossi wrote:
>>>
>>>> What a waste of a couple of years ey ?
>>>>
>>>> You aren't selling a product maybe services, they will reign down  
>>>> on
>>>> Wowza first before anyone else I reckon. Such backward thinking
>>>> people adobe are. They really should be encouraging open source,  
>>>> and
>>>> working with the team. So people who want fairly stable finished
>>>> products that hosting and system admins can manage can go with FMS
>>>> or who want heavily customisable bleeding edge and heavily  
>>>> supported
>>>> solutions go with open source.
>>>>
>>>> I am aware however of very touchy open source projects who see the
>>>> flash platform as very closed source and want to venture into fully
>>>> open source server / client solutions like ogg.
>>>>
>>>> I wished the platform stayed with Macromedia or whoever Macromedia
>>>> 'acquired' it from, Allaire maybe ? hahaha.
>>>>
>>>> I'm thinking it's their backup just in case the market crashes,  
>>>> take
>>>> a look at that eula case against microsoft for instance, those
>>>> people use industry damaging patents as their sole income, just  
>>>> like
>>>> all those law suits. I HATE patents.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 07/03/2008, at 1:31 PM, Giovanni wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If patented, then red5 and others will be hugely impacted. how
>>>>> could red5 be used without using the protocol?
>>>>>
>>>>> But that could be expected. Now with h264, why would adobe give
>>>>> away the farm for free?
>>>>>
>>>>> The question would be if it the protocol can be licensed. If it  
>>>>> can
>>>>> be licensed, then the only path would be for the red5 team to
>>>>> obtain such license.
>>>>>
>>>>> No RTMP=NO FLASH CLIENT
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mar 6, 2008, at 6:08 PM, Steven Gong wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> Take a look at this blog: http://www.flashcomguru.com/index.cfm/2008/3/6/rtmp-patent
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Don't know what impact will be on us... Any lawyer here for help?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>> Best Regards
>>>>>> Steven Gong
>>>>>>
>>>>>> InfraRed5 Red5 Consultant: http://www.infrared5.com, steven at infrared5.com
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> ~steven/Home
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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