[Red5] VP6 Implementation

Fri Mar 7 17:24:23 PST 2008

Hi SeTyR,

This is a SWF compiled app from CS3.

Lenny

On 3/7/08, SeTyR <setyr at free.fr> wrote:
>
>  Ahh Thanks Lenny for the info !
>
> how do you broadcast  , using directly Flash CS3 ?
> or is it a swf generated with it ?
> Sorry for any dumb question =)
>
> Nice weekend btw!
> Cheers
> SeTyR
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Lenny Sorey <lrsorey at gmail.com>
> *To:* red5 at osflash.org
> *Sent:* Friday, March 07, 2008 11:46 PM
> *Subject:* Re: [Red5] VP6 Implementation
>
>
> Hello All,
>
> I upgraded to Flash CS3 to upgrade an app
> for live broadcsting using VP6.
>
> Using VP6 encoding for live broadcasting does seem
> to make a difference with a lower broadcasting bandwidth.
>
> But to be honest I was testing with just a few connections
> and have not recorded the live broadcast stream yet.
>
> I am planning on trying this in a little while.
>
> The video is clean and smooth. One thing I did notice is the
> audio is a little delayed but I can live with that.
>
> Broadcaster is a Flash CS3 App and Subscriber is a Flex app.
>
> Anyone else using Flash CS3 for Live Broadcasting have any comments
> about the Live broadcasting using Flash CS3 with VP6?
>
> And I am still looking forward to H.264 for RED5 as well.
>
> Regards,
>
> Lenny
>
>
> On 3/6/08, Lenny Sorey <lrsorey at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hey Victor,
> >
> > Thanks for your response.
> >
> > Yep,  looks like your assumptions will be correct.
> >
> > In my case, I will have to develop a broadcaster
> > with H.264 support so that my users can use Flash
> > to view live streaming.
> >
> > I like the idea about Java SE 6. I already have clients
> > who we've developed solutions for in Java. Most of our development
> > in this area has been in eclipse where we just embed the Java version
> > we need in the installation.
> >
> > Haven't worked with JMF yet so I will have a look at that.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Lenny
> >
> >
> >  On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Victor <dreamland_skib2 at mail333.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Lenny,
> > >
> > > I can assume 2 situations of live broadcasting:
> > >
> > > 1) all your broadcasters are just users without special skills, so
> > > they
> > > can only use Flash Player and can not install additional software
> > >
> > > 2) you have dedicated broadcasters who can install and learn special
> > > software like VideoLan, FFMpeg etc. Other users are just watchers who
> > > use Flash Player.
> > >
> > > In case of (1) you can only encode in Flash Player itself, so it can
> > > only be Sorenson Spark codec which is not so good for video quality.
> > > Not
> > > sure whether you can propose a different solution for (1)...
> > >
> > > In case of (2) you can encode in H.264 (or VP6) because your
> > > broadcasters can install any software. Since Flash Player can play
> > > H.264
> > > and VP6, it's ok for viewers.
> > >
> > > One more thing here - honestly, I am waiting for Consumer JRE
> > > (https://jdk6.dev.java.net/6uNea.html) to come, so Java will be easily
> > > installed by end-users. Java has JMF (Java Media Framework) and many
> > > many other great libraries and protocols. Technically, Java support
> > > for
> > > media is much much better and very flexible. What we need is easy
> > > installation by end-users, and this is what Consumer JRE (aka Java SE
> > > 6
> > > Update N) proposes. Its beta version is coming soon (planned for
> > > March, 8) !
> > >
> > > Victor
> > >
> > >
> > > Lenny Sorey wrote:
> > > > Sorry Guys.
> > > >
> > > > I had to start a new email because Gmail says this one is too long
> > > to be
> > > > included
> > > > previous email discussions.
> > > >
> > > > Long Winded Lenny!! : )
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Guys
> > > >
> > > > I can stream from FME2 via RED5 to my webcam but the quality
> > > > is not that good.
> > > >
> > > > The video from the subscriber side hesitates and does display
> > > > in a smooth fashion.
> > > >
> > > > While the FME2 shows in the logs that everything is progressing
> > > > nicely i.e. (nearly 0 drop frames ) the video just is not good
> > > quality.
> > > >
> > > > I feel as though with Wowza and RED5 that Adobe has placed something
> > > > in FME2 that looks for a registered Adobe product such as FMS, which
> > > I
> > > > could blame them if they did.
> > > >
> > > > I was just looking for a way to test VP6 with RED5 before I took the
> > > leap
> > > > to spend that kind of money.
> > > >
> > > > Victor may be right in his statement that maybe we should wait for
> > > > H.264 until it will be supported in Red5.
> > > >
> > > > I would like to know what opinion of the developers of RED5 (Chris
> > > > Allen, Dominick,
> > > > Paul)  on this subject. What are these guys using in the
> > > red5server.com
> > >
> > > > <http://red5server.com/> offerings or
> > > > is this left to the customer to determine.
> > > >
> > > > Guess my question is regarding Live Streaming (And I am showing my
> > > lack
> > > > of knowledge here)
> > > > is when RED5 supports H.264, exactly what client would we use for
> > > live
> > > > streaming? Correct me if
> > > > I am wrong but I thought Flash or Flex will not support H.264 as far
> > > as
> > > > live streaming is concerned
> > > > for an encoder.
> > > >
> > > > This is where I start to get confused.  Does this now mean that I
> > > will
> > > > have to develop a different Client
> > > > to use H.264 for live streaming via RED5? I realize that RED5 will
> > > > support H.264 for VOD streaming
> > > > but what will we have to do for Live Streaming using H.264 as our
> > > > encoder of choice with the open-source
> > > > encoders such as VideoLan or FFMpeg?
> > > >
> > > > Sorry to drag this on but I really want to understand all of this as
> > > we
> > > > move forward for different options
> > > > for Live streaming with RED5.  Thanks to all who have participated
> > > in
> > > > this discussion.
> > > >
> > > > Believe it or not, I have gain a lot of info from this discussion.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > >
> > > > Lenny
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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