[Red5] Blue5 Bridge
Chris Allen
mrchrisallen at gmail.com
Wed Jun 17 12:18:04 PDT 2009
Just a quick correction to my email. Where I said: it prevents you
from implementing RTMPE, RTMPT and RTMFP is should have read: it
prevents you from implementing RTMPE, RTMPS and RTMFP.
Someone should come up with a better naming convention for these
protocols :).
-Chris
On Jun 17, 2009, at 2:48 PM, Chris Allen wrote:
> Andy,
>
> While I agree with your interpretation of the EULA, there have been
> conflicting statements from Kevin Towes of Adobe that would mean
> that if you read the spec it prevents you from implementing RTMPE,
> RTMPT and RTMFP (these variants all have some form of security as
> implemented by Adobe). Here's what he said on the Flash Media list:
>
> "You can implement RTMP, but not "secure RTMP measures" (as
> implemented by Adobe) -- and cannot can't create stream rippers with
> the RTMP implementation. You CAN create your own content protection
> on top of RTMP. "
>
> So, I think this is why people have an issue with it.
>
> -Chris
>
> On Jun 17, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Andy Shaules wrote:
>
>>
>> It all comes to protection of content. All we want to protect is
>> the streams. Now that java can easily connect to a CDN and record
>> stright to flv file, rtmpe probably works against the average guy.
>>
>> So what I think this rtmp spec agreement means to red5 is ...
>>
>> 'No more discusing recording streams from servers and or streams
>> which you do not own the content, or have express permision to
>> record the streaming content'.
>>
>> No need to rip anything if you either : a. own the content b. own
>> the servers.
>>
>> Sounds reasonable to me. Seems its all about the intent of the
>> delivery and the circumvention of that intent by any means.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andy Shaules" <bowljoman at hotmail.com
>> >
>> To: <red5 at osflash.org>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 10:09 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Red5] Blue5 Bridge
>>
>>
>>> I am actually quite satisfied with the terms. It means all the
>>> buisness I have done and income generated is quite safe and
>>> 'mine', and my courses of action to expand these activities need
>>> not change.
>>>
>>> I have never made or plan to make any intercepting app's nor have
>>> I made any apps that circumvent any protection measures.
>>>
>>> The red5 implemetation was not created from the 'RTMP'
>>> specification as defined, so you are not automatically bound to
>>> the license.
>>>
>>> Its actually groovey man!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ben" <ben at autonomic.net>
>>> To: <red5 at osflash.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2009 9:21 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Red5] Blue5 Bridge
>>>
>>>
>>>> Seriously people, it's hilarious listening to people who have no
>>>> idea about the law being 100% sure they know how it must be...
>>>> but this sounds like an interesting and important situation.
>>>>
>>>> Surely, a EFF or OSS legal aid would be interested enough to give
>>>> Red5 an opinion, if somebody central to the project approached
>>>> them?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Ben
>>>>
>>>> Tyler Kocheran wrote:
>>>>> I'd pay $5 to see Art and Adobe throw it down, and my bets are
>>>>> on Art if anyone's wondering...
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:24 AM, Art Clarke <aclarke at xuggle.com <mailto:aclarke at xuggle.com
>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Jun 17, 2009 at 8:04 AM, Trevor Burton
>>>>> <worldofpaper at googlemail.com
>>>>> <mailto:worldofpaper at googlemail.com>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> It'd be interesting to know if that'd stand up in court....
>>>>> what if i'm drunk when i download it? if i'm drunk when i
>>>>> sign
>>>>> a contract i'm not bound by it because i'm not judged
>>>>> competent to understand what i'm agreeing to... so how can
>>>>> downloading == understanding?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think the bigger issue is the assault charge you'd face.
>>>>> Why? Because I'm assuming if you were drunk when you clicked on
>>>>> the
>>>>> link, you were actually looking for viagra, and will be so
>>>>> pissed
>>>>> off when you get the spec that you will send goons to break my
>>>>> legs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or maybe that's just how my countrymen approach the issue.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> but then the law and common sense rarely rub shoulders
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You can say the same thing about the "law and the Irish" and
>>>>> "common sense and the Irish".
>>>>>
>>>>> - Art
>>>>>
>>>>> p.s. for those who don't know, I'm Irish :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -- http://www.xuggle.com/
>>>>> xu‧ggle (zŭ' gl) v. To freely encode, decode, and experience
>>>>> audio
>>>>> and video.
>>>>>
>>>>> Use Xuggle to get the power of FFMPEG in Java.
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> And do this, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake
>>>>> out of sleep;
>>>>> for now our salvation is nearer than when we first believed.
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