[Red5] Adobe Uses DMCA On Protocol It Promised To Open

Sat May 23 03:09:20 PDT 2009

On May 23, 2009, at 12:30 PM, Daniel Rossi wrote:

> LOL this post is incredible, you champion.  This is not surprising.  
> I do not like their business model at all even though they partially  
> claim to support open source, it's a face. They are two faced. You  
> sign privacy agreements in your contract. But it is a real shame  
> they are too scared to employ radical innovators over yes men.
>
> Their sales reps are slack and annoying and im not sure really  
> understand their own systems, it is why I opted for Red5 in the very  
> beginning in 2006 when looking into the FMS option on 3 load  
> balanced machines and a storage network, they were trying to upsell  
> us immediately with edge / origin 60K network options which was way  
> too bloated to conform with the scale of the business and were not  
> exactly interested to take it up further it seems unless you were a  
> multi million dollar contract or whatever. The business that i set  
> it up for is still scaling and unfortunately are moving to a new  
> server network who bought the company out and now have free FMS  
> licenses to play with so I will be in FMS land for this one now and  
> it'll get the dynamic stream switching  options ;)
>
> I've been in discussion with them about their DRM system, and the  
> people weren't ready for it in january when i was in discussion with  
> the adobe people, and now the people are ready, nobody from adobe is  
> replying to my emails and aren't interested even though again that  
> system is a 40K system !  They suck , but they rock at the same time  
> having produced so much in the time they bought out macromedia ;)
Well, I don't see the picture like that.... Is like enslaving a lot of  
browsers with their proprietary software. They have the power to do  
that. It is a fortunate thing that the flash plugin is also good. But  
imagine that instead flash plugin another open source plugin would be  
the leader. That leadership would 100% be  based on quality and not  
marketing. For adobe the main theme is "Sell and after that improve  
and try keep up and arrest people if necessary". From a consumer point  
of view, I would like a company that improves first and after that  
sells. I agree that they rock at the technical part. But I'm also a  
true believer of open-source. So for me technically good must be also  
accompanied by "is open source". This is just my opinion....

>
> On 23/05/2009, at 7:06 PM, Gavriloaie Eugen-Andrei wrote:
>
>> Before finding money to sustain rtmpd.com I was so desperate and I  
>> went to Adobe. Maybe I could find a job there. I was obviously way  
>> ahead of any candidate there on that particular position (FMS  
>> developer) but they turned me down. They even hadn't the common  
>> sense to call me and tell me that I'm rejected. Luckily, I knew  
>> someone there and I've asked him what is happening. The response  
>> was incredible: I was overqualified and they were afraid that I'll  
>> resign and leave Adobe taking critical "under the hood" info about  
>> their server (if any left, tx to red5. Keep up the good work!!!). I  
>> thought, well.... I was an exception.... But is not like that.  
>> Found out that in other departments same "low life" things are  
>> happening. They want people that they can "train" like dogs. Play  
>> dead, roll over, bark, etc.
>>
>> Besides few very capable technicians, they are a bunch of idiots.  
>> The ration between programmers and non-programmers (the marketing  
>> and related shit things) I think is between 1-2 programmers/15 non  
>> programmers. This is true at least for Romanian "outpost". I don't  
>> know about others....
>>
>>
>> So, I'll not be surprised if adobe will not make RTMP protocol  
>> available. Already did those kinds of things with flashlite 3.
>>
>> On May 22, 2009, at 8:38 PM, Tyler Kocheran wrote:
>>
>>> Be careful what you say, you could wind up in jail...
>>> I wish that (company name) didn't (legally threaten) the open  
>>> source project named _______. Welcome to the free software movement.
>>> I'm just bummed that @dobe is doing some Micro$oft-esqe crap.
>>>
>>> Here's hoping I don't get sued for no reason.
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 10:17 AM, DJP <DJP at architectes.org> wrote:
>>> I don’t understand adobe’s move … :x
>>>
>>>
>>> De : red5-bounces at osflash.org [mailto:red5-bounces at osflash.org] De  
>>> la part de Tyler Kocheran
>>> Envoyé : vendredi 22 mai 2009 18:59
>>> À : red5 at osflash.org
>>> Objet : Re: [Red5] Adobe Uses DMCA On Protocol It Promised To Open
>>>
>>>
>>> That's just sad. Downright sad.
>>>
>>> On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 8:11 AM, Manos Batsis <manos_lists at geekologue.com 
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> http://linuxcentre.net/adobe-has-issued-a-dmca-removal-request-for-rtmpdump/
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