[Red5] Red5 Digest, Vol 49, Issue 62

Wed Sep 9 14:26:18 PDT 2009

This assumes that I know how to read the archives. I still have no answer.

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> 1. Re: Red5 Digest, Vol 49, Issue 61 (Bob Ricci)
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> From: Bob Ricci <bobricci at hotmail.com>
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> I want to provide free video to non-profits on a large scale. I have the bandwidth but I don't know the server requirements and cannot locate them on the Red 5 web site. XEON? Quad Core? RAM?
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> I run Centos 5.3.
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> > 1. (no subject) (Bob Ricci)
> > 2. Re: (no subject) (Markus H?ckner)
> > 3. Re: (no subject) (Trevor Burton)
> > 4. how to install red5 on debian...some doubts. (Mauro)
> > 5. Re: red5.sh doesn't work (Ernani Joppert Pontes Martins)
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> > Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 00:46:31 -0700
> > From: Bob Ricci <bobricci at hotmail.com>
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> > I've asked twice with no reply. What are the hardware requirements of Red 5?
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> > Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 09:54:03 +0200
> > From: Markus H?ckner <madhonk at madhonk.org>
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> > This depends on:
> > 1) what you want to do
> > 2) how many users
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> > Am 09.09.2009 um 09:46 schrieb Bob Ricci:
> > 
> > > I've asked twice with no reply. What are the hardware requirements 
> > > of Red 5?
> > > With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. 
> > > Click here. _______________________________________________
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> > Message: 3
> > Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 09:00:54 +0100
> > From: Trevor Burton <worldofpaper at googlemail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Red5] (no subject)
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> > Bob,
> > 
> > It's a bit of a string length question this one.
> > 
> > if you take a look through the list archives you'll see this question has
> > come up quite a few times and quite a few users have posted details of their
> > setups, what they're doing with their setups and the sort of performance
> > they're getting. It's worth taking the time to nose around to find if
> > anything comes close to what you're looking to do.
> > 
> > T
> > 
> > 2009/9/9 Markus H?ckner <madhonk at madhonk.org>
> > 
> > > This depends on:1) what you want to do
> > > 2) how many users
> > >
> > >
> > > Am 09.09.2009 um 09:46 schrieb Bob Ricci:
> > >
> > > I've asked twice with no reply. What are the hardware requirements of Red
> > > 5?
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> > > here. <http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery>
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 10:28:21 +0200
> > From: Mauro <mrsanna1 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: [Red5] how to install red5 on debian...some doubts.
> > To: red5 at osflash.org
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> > I've followed the tutorial in http://osflash.org/red5/debian.
> > I've downloaded from svn and compiled with ant.
> > Launch red.sh and all seems to work fine.
> > One doubt: I have to launch from root or from another user?
> > If I set red5 to use rtmpt on port 80 I am obliged to run as root
> > otherwise red5 can't bind to port 80.
> > Isn't it?
> > 
> > 
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> > Message: 5
> > Date: Wed, 9 Sep 2009 06:04:35 -0300
> > From: Ernani Joppert Pontes Martins <joppert at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Red5] red5.sh doesn't work
> > To: red5 at osflash.org
> > Message-ID:
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> > 
> > Thanks, I am in Brazil too, I am just a nonsleeper :S
> > 
> > Anyways, I am willing to start assisting whenever possible.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > Ernani
> > 
> > On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:44 AM, Trevor Burton
> > <worldofpaper at googlemail.com>wrote:
> > 
> > > yes, the exe is fine - i've used it many times over the last few releases
> > > (since 0.6.x) and never had any problems.
> > >
> > > Most of the devs are based in the US so they'll be online a little later -
> > > i'll give them a prod for you :)
> > >
> > > thanks Ernani
> > >
> > > T
> > >
> > >
> > > On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Ernani Joppert Pontes Martins <
> > > joppert at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Ok, is the setup.exe stable? Works fine?
> > >>
> > >> Regarding the dmg I am on hold until futher notice.
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >>
> > >> Ernani
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 4:26 AM, Trevor Burton <
> > >> worldofpaper at googlemail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> There's already a setup.exe available for windows users - i think there
> > >>> is a need for someone who can create a dmg, though, perhaps one of the devs
> > >>> could chime in here?
> > >>>
> > >>> T
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 8:09 AM, Ernani Joppert Pontes Martins <
> > >>> joppert at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> I am considering building a setup.exe file for windows users as well as
> > >>>> a dmg package for Mac users, should this be helpful?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Please let me know.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Ernani
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 3:31 AM, Trevor Burton <
> > >>>> worldofpaper at googlemail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> I'm confident that everyone on this list can empathise with the
> > >>>>> feelings of frustration and anger you're experiencing right now (i certainly
> > >>>>> am!) but there's certainly nothing wrong with Red5 that requires it to be
> > >>>>> mucked about with in order to get it running otherwise that hack/fix/kludge
> > >>>>> would have been incorporated into the codebase, wouldn't it? I've used the
> > >>>>> 0.7 and 0.8 tags from svn and the trunk of svn, i've also used the windows
> > >>>>> installers (built from the 0.7 and 0.8 tags many, many time without these
> > >>>>> sorts of problems.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> There's a strong possibility that the problem is being caused by
> > >>>>> something very simple that you're not aware of because of your lack of
> > >>>>> knowledge of Red5/Java/whatever and the lack of documentation. That likely
> > >>>>> being the case there are people on the list who are happy to try and help
> > >>>>> you locate and fix the issue if you give us something meaningful to work
> > >>>>> with. So far you've given us no log output, no details of a specific
> > >>>>> distribution or setup you're using or the process you're going through to
> > >>>>> install and test.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> The lack of documentation is something that has been commented on many
> > >>>>> times. It's something Dan is working hard to try and put right, but with
> > >>>>> Red5 being an open source project the documentation must be written by
> > >>>>> people who contribute their time for free. Unfortunately these people tend
> > >>>>> not to have too much free time as they're busy improving the stability and
> > >>>>> functionality of the server itself.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> When people, like yourself, have problems with getting things running
> > >>>>> and receive help from the list and get things working they rarely, if ever,
> > >>>>> contribute to the documentation by letting the devs know what went wrong and
> > >>>>> what was needed to fix it.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> So please, let's start from scratch, take a deep breath, uninstall all
> > >>>>> the previous versions of Red5 on one of your machines, install a windows
> > >>>>> distribution (doesn't have to be windows, it's just that's what i'm most
> > >>>>> familiar with) and test it by connecting from a simple flash client and let
> > >>>>> us (the list) know what errors or problems you see, and give us some detail
> > >>>>> about what process you're following to get things running.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> When it does get fixed if you could spend a bit of time putting
> > >>>>> together a summary of the problems you had and what was required to solve
> > >>>>> those problems you can help contribute to Red5 and maybe stop others from
> > >>>>> experiencing the same frustration you're going through right now.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> T
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 5:58 AM, Andy Shaules <bowljoman at hotmail.com>wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Well, any way you slice it, you cant expect a 'demo' to be production
> > >>>>>> ready and oflaDemo is _very_ 'demo'.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Sounds like you need a solid starting point. Sounds like a jumble of
> > >>>>>> factors are tripping you up.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Im still wondering what your technical background is before I run in
> > >>>>>> circles or offer more personal type of help.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I hate using the terminal myself, but I have managed to use google to
> > >>>>>> barely get by and get-er-done. I dont see an issue with red5 so much as with
> > >>>>>> the little arising hitches or computer gusto(maintain level of comfort in
> > >>>>>> unfamiliar problems).
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I've not given up on you.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Just lookin for a handle to lift with.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark DM" <markosjal at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>> To: <red5 at osflash.org>
> > >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 9:23 PM
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [Red5] red5.sh doesn't work
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I know exactly what I want to do!
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I did iinstall the demo and there is no folder for streams. This also
> > >>>>>> happened on windows. Not that I need it but it is evidence that there
> > >>>>>> iis a problem with consistency of the video doc and the actual
> > >>>>>> product. The demos seem pretty idiot proof too install, and they say
> > >>>>>> they install, but no streams folder still
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> All we want to do is stream live video to a web page , one app,
> > >>>>>> nothing more , but it is impossible to learn something when most if
> > >>>>>> the information seems outdated or bad, or the product oly behaves in
> > >>>>>> such a way with a particular install method
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I went off on the oflademo but semms the simplebroadcaster is
> > >>>>>> problematic as well.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Crazy
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 11:15 PM, Andy Shaules<bowljoman at hotmail.com>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Is it just me or does there seem to be a F.U.D. campaign on the list
> > >>>>>>> this
> > >>>>>>> week?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Mark , it sounds like your're not shutting it down between starts
> > >>>>>>> ups.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> More than anything it sounds like you're not too sure about what it
> > >>>>>>> is you
> > >>>>>>> want to do yourself.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Lets say you figure out how to start and stop red5, and that you
> > >>>>>>> figure out
> > >>>>>>> how to use the demo installer to get oflaDemo installed.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> What will you want to do then? I would help if I saw the issue, but
> > >>>>>>> it is as
> > >>>>>>> simple as unzipping the distribution and executing either the .sh or
> > >>>>>>> .bat
> > >>>>>>> file. Of course you need JAVA_HOME defined, but thats it. If you want
> > >>>>>>> to
> > >>>>>>> build red5 you need ANT also.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> You might have multiple installs running unknowingly corrupting the
> > >>>>>>> others
> > >>>>>>> start-up.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I'm not sure what issues are arising for you. 1). Java 2). Red5
> > >>>>>>> distribution for that version.3) Available ports...
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Keep trying. I think at some point it will all make sense to you. I
> > >>>>>>> dont
> > >>>>>>> know your technical background. Maybe describe your level of computer
> > >>>>>>> knowledge and in particular, your experience deploying web techs such
> > >>>>>>> as
> > >>>>>>> joomola/drupal/FMS/shoutcast, or if you are coming from with little
> > >>>>>>> more
> > >>>>>>> than myspace experience?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Andy
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark DM" <markosjal at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>> To: <red5 at osflash.org>
> > >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 8:37 PM
> > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Red5] red5.sh doesn't work
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Yes SOMTIMES it starts without issues, but normally only after a full
> > >>>>>>> reboot.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> When it does start successfully it still gives errors something like
> > >>>>>>> a header is too long then rejects connections.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> That sounds like a kludge to me, not to mention thhe lack of
> > >>>>>>> documentation that even explains how to rreally do anything, and the
> > >>>>>>> docs that do seem to describve something useful, often refer to files
> > >>>>>>> and folders that do not exist , much like the oflademo streamms
> > >>>>>>> folder.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> I am no linux expert, but red5 is enough to learn aside from all of
> > >>>>>>> the issues that arise.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> the posted DEB and WIndows files SHOULD work or why waste peoples
> > >>>>>>> time?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> As foor eclips that is a little beyond me and maybe it is something I
> > >>>>>>> should learn but I will bet theren is no how too anywhere, that is
> > >>>>>>> complete and error free.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Here is thhe best one I had found and syill it leaves me missing
> > >>>>>>> things that should be there. I am cconvinced this is no fault of the
> > >>>>>>> how to , so it must be the package installed. (ofla demo streams
> > >>>>>>> folder for instannce)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 10:21 PM, Andy Shaules<bowljoman at hotmail.com>
> > >>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I saw by the log you posted that you have had your server started
> > >>>>>>>> successfully atleast once before, and you just didnt realize it.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I use the svn and build it with eclipse. Then I use that build on
> > >>>>>>>> both
> > >>>>>>>> windows and centos. Same distribution.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Nothing to fix. Using the code as is.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark DM" <markosjal at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>> To: <red5 at osflash.org>
> > >>>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 08, 2009 8:14 PM
> > >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Red5] red5.sh doesn't work
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I have triied the SVN, DEB annd WIIndows version, on 4 different
> > >>>>>>>> installs (2 different windows versions) . I think those that get it
> > >>>>>>>> to work must be fixing the code themselves or they got lucky on a
> > >>>>>>>> good
> > >>>>>>>> version, opr verssion/OS combination
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Would be interesting to knoow who is running what , and on what.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Mark
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Ben Tung<benpptung at tacol.biz>
> > >>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Hi..Trevor,
> > >>>>>>>>> I gotta sleep and it's with much thanks for your help...^_^
> > >>>>>>>>> Rds/Ben
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 8 Sep 2009 19:18:44 +0100
> > >>>>>>>>>> From: Trevor Burton <worldofpaper at googlemail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Red5] red5.sh doesn't work
> > >>>>>>>>>> To: red5 at osflash.org
> > >>>>>>>>>> Message-ID:
> > >>>>>>>>>> <bc985a00909081118k1116acabs39e34388e097224a at mail.gmail.com>
> > >>>>>>>>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> ok, well that didn't help :)
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> i'm not sure what's wrong here, the server certainly started up
> > >>>>>>>>>> ok,
> > >>>>>>>>>> which
> > >>>>>>>>>> means there was nothing bound to 1935 or 5080 (otherwise it would
> > >>>>>>>>>> have
> > >>>>>>>>>> failed to start and given you an error to that effect).
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> So why you don't see that from netstat i'm not sure but have you
> > >>>>>>>>>> tried
> > >>>>>>>>>> connecting to http://<ip>:5080 or one of the xamples ?
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> T
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 7:03 PM, Ben Tung <benpptung at tacol.biz>
> > >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>> > Hi Trevor,
> > >>>>>>>>>> >
> > >>>>>>>>>> > following is the log.
> > >>>>>>>>>> >
> > >>>>>>>>>> > Rds/ Ben
> > >>>>>>>>>> >
> > >>>>>>>>>> > [INFO] [Launcher:/installer] org.red5.server.service.Installer -
> > >>>>>>>>>> > Installer
> > >>>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>>>>>>> Red5 mailing list
> > >>>>>>>>> Red5 at osflash.org
> > >>>>>>>>> http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>>>>>> Red5 mailing list
> > >>>>>>>> Red5 at osflash.org
> > >>>>>>>> http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>>>>>> Red5 mailing list
> > >>>>>>>> Red5 at osflash.org
> > >>>>>>>> http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>>>>> Red5 mailing list
> > >>>>>>> Red5 at osflash.org
> > >>>>>>> http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>>>>> Red5 mailing list
> > >>>>>>> Red5 at osflash.org
> > >>>>>>> http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>>>> Red5 mailing list
> > >>>>>> Red5 at osflash.org
> > >>>>>> http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>>>> Red5 mailing list
> > >>>>>> Red5 at osflash.org
> > >>>>>> http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> Trevor Burton
> > >>>>> http://www.flashmonkey.org
> > >>>>> http://www.infrared5.com
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>>> Red5 mailing list
> > >>>>> Red5 at osflash.org
> > >>>>> http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>> Red5 mailing list
> > >>>> Red5 at osflash.org
> > >>>> http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Trevor Burton
> > >>> http://www.flashmonkey.org
> > >>> http://www.infrared5.com
> > >>>
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> Red5 mailing list
> > >>> Red5 at osflash.org
> > >>> http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Red5 mailing list
> > >> Red5 at osflash.org
> > >> http://osflash.org/mailman/listinfo/red5_osflash.org
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Trevor Burton
> > > http://www.flashmonkey.org
> > > http://www.infrared5.com
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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