[Red5devs] Root cause of CPU overload on VOD streaming (was Re: Red5 0.7 Sprint)

Dan Rossi spam at electroteque.org
Wed Jan 30 01:19:59 PST 2008


I got your email steve from the archives, i cannot get emails from the  
list for some reason today.

I updated trunk and ran a test, ive noticed the whole time a pattern  
in the cpu usage. Its basically around 1% per request so 95-100  
requests is 100%. It could be just the way this load tester flash is  
loading the files im not sure ive been doing the request with 1 second  
delay.

top - 20:21:28 up  1:42,  2 users,  load average: 4.09, 2.66, 1.85
Tasks: 123 total,   1 running, 122 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
Cpu0  : 24.5%us, 26.8%sy,  0.0%ni, 48.3%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,   
0.3%si,  0.0%st
Cpu1  : 31.7%us, 18.5%sy,  0.0%ni, 29.7%id,  0.0%wa, 11.6%hi,   
8.6%si,  0.0%st
Mem:   1029420k total,  1019944k used,     9476k free,       16k buffers
Swap:  1959888k total,    20752k used,  1939136k free,   638992k cached

   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
  7034 root      18   0  504m 143m  10m S  122 14.3   4:02.09 java


at 100 request with 10 second delay


top - 20:19:16 up  1:40,  2 users,  load average: 3.08, 2.53, 1.73
Tasks: 123 total,   1 running, 122 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
Cpu0  :  6.6%us, 15.0%sy,  0.0%ni, 78.1%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,   
0.3%si,  0.0%st
Cpu1  :  8.3%us, 13.3%sy,  0.0%ni, 72.7%id,  0.0%wa,  3.0%hi,   
2.7%si,  0.0%st
Mem:   1029420k total,  1018784k used,    10636k free,       16k buffers
Swap:  1959888k total,    20752k used,  1939136k free,   643964k cached

   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
  7034 root      18   0  476m 137m  10m S   48 13.7   3:03.85 java

On 29/01/2008, at 12:46 PM, Dan Rossi wrote:

> I have it back on the old copy and 48 requests gets about 22%. The  
> problem is once it gets to 80 it also starts to max out. The new  
> copies i keep trying to test max out much earlier than that. Its an  
> issue because I cannot make a system using a custom  webapp live  
> until its somehow corrected because it uses alot of the logback  
> changes for a custom access logging system for bandwidth billing of  
> streams. I cannot seem to get the logback stuff to work in this  
> version.
>
> On 29/01/2008, at 12:16 PM, Steven Gong wrote:
>
>>
>> On Jan 29, 2008 9:10 AM, Dan Rossi <spam at electroteque.org> wrote:
>> I have the latest svn on a server with flags set to false it seemed  
>> to reach a higher cpu at 18 requests than with it set to true, im  
>> seeing peaks at 90% with 34 requests, at 35 requests i got 100%.  
>> This doesnt add up sorry. Maybe it has something to do with network  
>> storage ?
>> Yes, maybe if you are getting the VOD via network. How do you read  
>> the files?
>>
>>
>> On 29/01/2008, at 9:28 AM, Dan Rossi wrote:
>>
>>> With flag set to false and 100 requests
>>>
>>>
>>> top - 09:29:58 up 53 min,  2 users,  load average: 9.25, 5.00, 4.40
>>> Tasks: 122 total,   1 running, 121 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
>>> Cpu0  : 40.3%us, 30.0%sy,  0.0%ni, 28.7%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,   
>>> 1.0%si,  0.0%st
>>> Cpu1  : 17.3%us, 22.3%sy,  0.0%ni, 44.7%id,  0.0%wa,  8.7%hi,   
>>> 7.0%si,  0.0%st
>>> Mem:   1029420k total,   999888k used,    29532k free,      372k  
>>> buffers
>>> Swap:  1959888k total,        0k used,  1959888k free,   558692k  
>>> cached
>>>
>>>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
>>>  7521 root      17   0  505m 136m  10m S  126 13.6   1:31.58 java
>>>
>>> With flag set to true and 100 requests
>>>
>>> 90 users 100% on one core of the cpu 20% overall.
>>>
>>> top - 09:25:42 up 49 min,  2 users,  load average: 5.74, 3.23, 3.91
>>> Tasks: 122 total,   1 running, 121 sleeping,   0 stopped,   0 zombie
>>> Cpu0  : 17.5%us, 31.1%sy,  0.0%ni, 50.7%id,  0.0%wa,  0.0%hi,   
>>> 0.7%si,  0.0%st
>>> Cpu1  : 15.8%us, 22.8%sy,  0.0%ni, 47.2%id,  0.0%wa,  7.6%hi,   
>>> 6.6%si,  0.0%st
>>> Mem:   1029420k total,  1010608k used,    18812k free,      372k  
>>> buffers
>>> Swap:  1959888k total,        0k used,  1959888k free,   558836k  
>>> cached
>>>
>>>   PID USER      PR  NI  VIRT  RES  SHR S %CPU %MEM    TIME+  COMMAND
>>>  7189 root      17   0  502m 146m  10m S  101 14.6   4:02.54 java
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't see much of a difference :\
>>>
>>>
>>> On 29/01/2008, at 3:02 AM, Mondain wrote:
>>>
>>>> There no "fix" yet, but I think you may be able to set  
>>>> generateMetadata to false in the interim. In red5-common.xml look  
>>>> for this bean:
>>>> <bean id="flvFileService" class="org.red5.io.flv.impl.FLVService">
>>>>     <property name="generateMetadata" value="true"/>
>>>> </bean>
>>>> Simply setting it to false may prevent your CPU spikes.
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>>> On Jan 28, 2008 12:42 AM, Dan Rossi <spam at electroteque.org> wrote:
>>>> Is the possible fixes committed at all ? I just tried on my  
>>>> little ubuntu machine which is a 2.2G AMD X2 and reached 100% at  
>>>> 100 users and was averaging at 85% the whole way through with the  
>>>> loader tester app.
>>>>
>>>> On 26/01/2008, at 4:12 PM, Dan Rossi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I knew thats where it may have happened when the cache changed.  
>>>>> The problem with this is has to identify files of same names  
>>>>> inside different paths. I believe there was a clash there !  
>>>>> Please let me know how you go, some frustrated bosses on my end  
>>>>> wanting to bite the bullet and go with FMS and 1 and a bit years  
>>>>> nearly wasted.
>>>>>
>>>>> Please let me know and I can test.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 26/01/2008, at 8:46 AM, Chris Allen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Guys,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let's get cranking on reverse engineering the H.264 stuff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.flashcomguru.com/index.cfm/2008/1/25/fms3-released
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Chris
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jan 23, 2008, at 8:09 PM, Steven Gong wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 24, 2008 12:24 AM, Chris Allen <mrchrisallen at gmail.com>  
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Nice Steven! So, are you going to implement this fix?
>>>>>>> Yes, I will provide the fix before the release.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -Chris
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jan 23, 2008, at 10:16 AM, Steven Gong wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>> I found the root cause of big CPU load on VOD streaming. It  
>>>>>>>> is caused by the loading of key frame metadata from metadata  
>>>>>>>> cache. A simple solution to this is to enhance the metadata  
>>>>>>>> cache implementation to cache the loaded metadata into memory  
>>>>>>>> for FLV rather than load it again from the file system each  
>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2008 11:58 PM, Mondain <mondain at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> The load tester (src) is checked into the trunk btw..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 21, 2008 10:34 PM, Luke Hubbard <luke at codegent.net >  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Steven
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes please do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> - Luke
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/22/08, Steven Gong < steven.gong at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Luke,
>>>>>>>> If you need Paul's load tester for the test, I can send a  
>>>>>>>> copy to you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2008 7:34 AM, Dan Rossi < spam at electroteque.org>  
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Paul's load tester flex app is a good one to use but i dont  
>>>>>>>> think its accurate enough. I have tested the same app against  
>>>>>>>> FMS and Wowza and there was only 5% cpu used maximum.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 21/01/2008, at 7:43 PM, Steven Gong wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Jan 21, 2008 4:27 PM, Luke Hubbard < luke at codegent.net>  
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I will try to test with a profiler see what is eating all  
>>>>>>>>> that CPU.
>>>>>>>>> This is for VOD right, not live? Or both?
>>>>>>>>> This is the VOD streaming and can be reproduced by a simple  
>>>>>>>>> load test VOD playback.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Luke
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 1/21/08, Dan Rossi < spam at electroteque.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Less than that before its reaching 100% cpu. aparantly i go  
>>>>>>>>> away on a break and everything goes down. It might be  
>>>>>>>>> looking like we might have to jump onto the wowza bandwagon :\
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 20/01/2008, at 9:55 AM, Dominick Accattato wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dan:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> are you saying that the core can only handle 50-80  
>>>>>>>>>> concurrent connections?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 19, 2008, at 6:28 AM, Dan Rossi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Great, i added the preliminary task in there but didnt get  
>>>>>>>>>>> much responses about it at first :D Should we add back in  
>>>>>>>>>>> the option to either compile javadoc in a full  
>>>>>>>>>>> distribution task or not, that was added in as a  
>>>>>>>>>>> suggestion from steve but was removed. It does reduce the  
>>>>>>>>>>> recompile time alot.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I believe the major one that i know of is the performance  
>>>>>>>>>>> problems somewhere in the core, its maxing out at 50-80  
>>>>>>>>>>> concurrents.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 19/01/2008, at 3:15 AM, Mondain wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If we plan to inform users of the edge/origin features,  
>>>>>>>>>>>> we will also need to get those parts of the build script  
>>>>>>>>>>>> ironed-out before the release as well.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 18, 2008 4:52 AM, Lenny Sorey < lrsorey at gmail.com>  
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Joachim,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Welcome back!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Glad to see your return.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hope things are well with these days.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Lenny
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/17/08, Dominick Accattato < daccattato at gmail.com>  
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Team:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I want to give Joachim a warm welcome back.  We missed  
>>>>>>>>>>>> ya!  Everyone has done a great job pushing Red5 forward  
>>>>>>>>>>>> from the 0.6 release.  In preparation of the release of  
>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.7, I'd like to get a few more fixes in.  If we can,  
>>>>>>>>>>>> lets try to get this stuff done asap so that we can get  
>>>>>>>>>>>> 0.7 out the door.  Here is what I find to be of  
>>>>>>>>>>>> importance for this release.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://jira.red5.org/browse/APPSERVER-184
>>>>>>>>>>>> amf3 synchronization issue with SharedObjects (I will  
>>>>>>>>>>>> provide Joachim with a test app)
>>>>>>>>>>>> fix our tests since Paul noticed many of them are failing
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone can think of any other important fixes, list  
>>>>>>>>>>>> them so that we can look into their priority.  Thanks team!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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